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Maori flag on Harbour Bridge = Divisive

, posted: 1-Feb-2007 14:01

Contrary to Greens assertions that flying the "Maori flag" on the Auckland Harbour Bridge on Waitangi Day would support Maori efforts to build links, it would do the complete opposite. The flag is a rallying cry for proponents of Maori sovereignty. Unless Maori can articulate how that can possibly work in a multicultural society to the satisfaction of all other New Zealanders, it comes across as a very self-centred and very divisive political statement. And the Greens support for it is a complete "wool-pulling" exercise.


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Comment by Jama, on 1-Feb-2007 14:16

I agree with you. What would the Greens say if the National Front wanted to raise their flag over the harbour bridge?


Comment by Grant17, on 1-Feb-2007 14:44

I agree with you 100% David. To my way of thinking, we should leave Waitangi Day for the protesters and Maori Sovereignty movement to fight and squabble over.

Why not create New Zealand Day on a different day of the year as a rallying point we can all be proud of?

Something that brings us together instead of focussing on the divisions.


Comment by tonyhughes, on 1-Feb-2007 17:07

screw all this multi-cultural crap. im sick of the bullshit. i walked past a Maori Wellness centre the other, and you can bet your bottom dollar that being on DHB land, in a DHB building with DHB signage, that its DHB funded. There are Maori associations for this that and the other thing. Among MANY others, there is the NZ Maori Golf Association Maori Law Students Association Maori Medical Practitioners Association of Aotearoa and the Wellington Anglican Maori club.

These people divide our nation, and segregate themselves from the mainstream, for whatever reason, but then say that the government or New Zealand in general does not give them a fair go, or the rights or recognition (or funding) that they deserve.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if I wanted to start up the "Information Technology Workers who are of Anglo-saxon Origin Association" that people might call me racist (which Im not), or that I was a fruit-loop for not simply joining in other established forums in my industry, but instead taking the stupid, divisive, repugnant step of seperating myself and others out by ethnicity.

There is to be no Maori flag, and there should be no Maori MPs, unless there can be a roll of Anglo-Saxons (for which you must declare your bloodline), where Anglo-Saxon people vote for Anglo-Saxon MPs to sit on Anglo-Saxon parliament seats.

Dont forget the Asians, the Indians, Americans and other ethnicities that have been in this country longer than anyone who lives here currently has been alive - they all deserve the same rights too.

But of course no one wants this... its stupid, its wrong, its racist, its ridiculous.

Wongs in the past are being put right with a currency that didnt exist at the time, using values calculated on time gone by, when chances are, things would have been legitmately sold quite early anyway.

Maori Anglicans and Maori Golfers and Maori Parliament seats dont put those things right - they instead are helping to cripple our country.

And thats wrong.

Lets live in New Zealand as New Zealanders, and not work so hard to seperate ourselves when what we really need and want is to come together...


Comment by bradstewart, on 1-Feb-2007 19:22

That was very well put Tony 100% agree. National front get such a hard time for being a white supremicist party. But really how is the Maori party any different. Maori party only cares about Maoris. National front is very very very very pro-white. To me its the same thing.

By the way I want a scholarship to university for being white. If its all about equality...


Comment by muppet, on 1-Feb-2007 22:13

Wow, could you read anything ELSE into it? Are you sure their desire to raise a simple flag up a flagpole also doesn't secretly mean they wish to start World World 3 and invade Cuba?



I can't see why you can't let the native people of your country _fly a flag_.

Us Australian's let the Aboriginals fly their flag and they don't seem to have taken over the country just yet.



Acknowledging your differences is the first step in coming together you know...


Author's note by dmw, on 1-Feb-2007 22:26

You need to be aware, muppet, of other occasions when that flag has been flown. It is intimately associated with Maori separatism (which, for some strange reason, our Greens support). It is divisive. Fullstop.

You don't have a problem with Aborigines wanting to take over, because your ancestors shot so many of them until they make up a tiny proportion of the total population.


Comment by Scroat, on 3-Feb-2007 09:03

Who says that only white people should have a right to be racist.



Surely Maori must be entitled to express their racism too.



With a government prepared to underwrite Maori sentiments to the tune of hundreds of millions of dolloars they can certainly be expected to feel smug and self-righteous.


Comment by Fossie, on 3-Feb-2007 23:12

I couldn't have put it any better tony...its ridiculous.


Comment by cokemaster, on 3-Feb-2007 23:17

I agree with Tony too. In someways, I can see things listed as a form of apartheid.... One system for everyone and another system for another group.


Comment by Steve, on 6-Feb-2007 19:37

Now as a third generation New Zealander, why do I have to pay for this ongoing Maori bleeding?

My Grandfather came to NZ to get away from the apathy. This is a great multicultural country yet so many sucker up to a minority.

Preserve the culture and language yes, please do that. But welfare should be given to all who are in need, Asian, Sth African, Somalian, Indian, Thai, Americans, European, not just based on Maori.

Waitangi Day should be a celebration of New Zealanders, just like Australia Day.

They celebrate, we make it political .....


Comment by Steve, on 6-Feb-2007 19:39

Now as a third generation New Zealander, why do I have to pay for this ongoing Maori bleeding?

My Grandfather came to NZ to get away from the apathy. This is a great multicultural country yet so many sucker up to a minority.

Preserve the culture and language yes, please do that. But welfare should be given to all who are in need, Asian, Sth African, Somalian, Indian, Thai, Americans, European, not just based on Maori.

Waitangi Day should be a celebration of New Zealanders, just like Australia Day.

They celebrate, we make it political .....


Comment by Tikei Te Ahuahu Pere., on 27-Apr-2007 11:58

Ah comon lads calm ye fears it's just a flag. Like the aussie said you can see the aboriginal flag flying their one around their country. No one even batters an eyelid. The Máori flag is gonna be around for the next 1000 years and it is already the most recognised symbol that is always put next to the language. Why is it always the foreigners who seem the most liberal on such matters? Is it their ability to see things from outside the box?



As Muppet said acknowledging our differences is the first step to coming together. Perhaps the next time we are all in the same room together we could just for once "switch on the light"?


Comment by citizenoftheearth, on 19-Jun-2007 21:15

As a relatively new immigrant to Aotearoa New Zealand, I find all the fuss between the British colonists (aka Paheka), steadfeast in their desire to maintain links to their own homeland, and the indigenous population (obviously the Maori), as quite a ridiculous.



First of all, I am amused, even while shocked, that I still find the stereotypical oversized Brit stuck in a huge corner office of a public agency where he's sat for 35 years wearing his tropical rhino hat with mosquito net. Did he think he was going to tropical Africa? This continues to be the attitude of the colonisers.



To the other extreme, we can promote Maori culture all while failing to respect its proper place in New Zealand culture. Is there not room for a unique culture in Aotearoa, even if it results from the hybridisation of two distinct cultures?



We should all be able to celebrate our status as New Zealanders, whether we arrived last week or two generations ago. And we should certainly respect those whose ancestors arrived a thousand years ago rather than hold them in contempt for the mere colour of their skin.


Author's note by dmw, on 19-Jun-2007 21:59

We all are immigrants, including Maori. And they weren't here first either.

I agree that we should all be New Zealanders. But there are now far more than 2 cultures here.


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