I seem to have failed.
Here is my conclusion after the debate.
I regard Libertarianz principles and policies as "nice if you can get them". And I wish them luck.
But personally I don't see that they have any hope in a million years of convincing enough people of their ideas that it will ever happen. Things are more likely to get worse, instead.
I joined in on protest marches with people from Act, National, Libertarianz and probably other parties too to fight together for freedom from the Labour/Green/NZFirst monstrosity called the Electoral Finanace Act imposed on NZ.
And yet Libertarianz regard their allies in that cause as "evil". As equivalent to the election-stealing Clark that so riled their leader that he issued a court challenge against her electoral overspending (and robbing the taxpayer to do so) in 2005.
I do not share their idealism.
Analogies are fraught with danger, because opponents can often find the edges where the analogy falters, and use that to try to defeat the argument.
Disclaimers aside, I see Libertarianz like a volunteer firebrigade, sitting around while the fire rages. There are other brigades trying to put out the fire using water hoses, foam, and even some with bucket chains. But the Libertarianz brigade is sitting around talking. Why? Because they are dreaming of a monsoon bucket. They have pictures of it on their station walls. They know it will be ideal for the job, (slightly overkill for this particular fire at the moment) but which they won't be able to afford until long after all of them, and all of the rest of us, are burnt to a crisp.
So please, members of Libertarianz, continue pontificating about perfection, and leave the rest of us to man the pumps.
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Comment by barf, on 7-Nov-2008 11:38
since when has the Electoral finance act suppressed YOUR free speech? I can see you blogging now. Perhaps you should READ the legislation and make up your OWN mind.
Comment by JoeBloggs, on 9-Nov-2008 10:27
The Libertarianz seek an anarchist government. This just belies the foundation of principles that I believe society rests upon. We need to take care of the elderly and sick. When speaking to one of the founders, I thought their primary weakness is in believing (or at least professing to believe) that people are inherently good and altruistic. This is just not true, Karl Marx inadvertently proved this with failed communism. People are greedy and unless their peers can judge them and the community can work together as a whole, our damned selfish nature rears its ugly head. Don't even get me started on what a cock-up true capitalism can eventually become. I would leave NZ if we even started to approach the consumerist tight-rope economy of the US. There's a middle ground and thankfully the majority of NZ recognises this by consistently voting close to the centre. Research anarchism and you should understand more about the party. There is much literature on the idealisms and underlying reasons it can't work in our society published in almost every media form. Communism also didn't work despite it's utopian possibilities.
Comment by JoeBloggs, on 9-Nov-2008 13:28
Wow, that says it all. I didn't know how poorly Libz faired. I think ACT only got those numbers because of their tough stance on crime. God help us if they get any of their privatised school/health policies into consideration.
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