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"If we lose freedom in America, we lose freedom everywhere"

, posted: 28-Jan-2010 22:31

In a comment on my previous post, barf says:

kitty says "if we lose freedom in america, we lose freedom everywhere" that should send the NUT-JOB alarm bells ringing.

So, if USA succumbs to socialism and multi-culturalism and unilateral disarmament, and China decides to invade Australia, who is going to repel the invaders?

Europe won't. USA won't. We can't.

How can we keep freedom in the world... or at least the few parts that are still free?


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Comment by freitasm, on 28-Jan-2010 23:33

You watched Team America?

Comment by Linuxluver, on 29-Jan-2010 10:16

I try not to discuss politics with anyone who uses the world "socialism" all the time but obviously has no understanding of what it means. 
There is little point. Communication isn't possible with people speaking a language of their own invention that doesn't align with reality.

Author's note by dmw, on 29-Jan-2010 11:19

Linuxluver, you'd prefer to pretend that you're not entering into a discussion, while you're "discussing". That's an odd approach.

Well, it is not really discussing, is it? You are claiming intellectual superiority in the absence of any evidence. That's hardly a rational debate. And completely avoids even attempting to offer an answer to any of the questions raised in the original post.

Freitasm, no -- I haven't watched Team America? Do you have any serious answers?

Comment by freitasm, on 29-Jan-2010 21:28

Yes. Team America is a parody created by - gasp! - Canadians, of the South Park fame. Basically a joke about how countries rely on America being the "World Police" instead of relying on diplomacy and talks.

The "communists are hiding under the bed" and "communists eat children" FUD was spread during the 50s and 60s. The cold war is gone and they lost. There are other things to worry more about now - for example how to prevent democratically elected governments to obey large corporations, instead of trying to spread the fear of socialism and "the Chinese!".

The Chinese will win in economic terms, not ideology.

Comment by Screeb, on 29-Jan-2010 22:27

Wait, you actually think socialism, multi-culturalism and unilateral disarmament are bad things? Do you not realise that is essentially what we have in NZ (at least to the extent that the US will ever have in the near future)?

Author's note by dmw, on 29-Jan-2010 23:59

China was just an example. Another could be Indonesia invading NZ.

I have this impression that we that our freedom (relatively speaking) for granted.

Would you like to live in a country in which the Internet was controlled, so that you did not have a true picture of your own country (a la, China)? And that dissent was not tolerated?

I wouldn't. But I think that those freedoms of information and expression are important. But we have no way of defending them.

Author's note by dmw, on 30-Jan-2010 00:05

Screeb, yes, I think that there are dangers with each of them, particularly in a US context.

Socialism, in the sense of government owning the means of production (or at least the tendency of govts to control far more than the minimum necessary), encourages reliance on the state and diminishes the value and responsibilities of the individual.

Comment by rossmnz, on 30-Jan-2010 11:42

yeah i dont really think socialism is much of a threat to be fair.

Radical Islam is our generations threat!!

We need to nuke it to bits!! lol

Author's note by dmw, on 30-Jan-2010 12:19

I agree with your second sentence, rossmnz. At least, that it is top of the list.

But that doesn't mean that everything else can be safely ignored.

Are you happy that the government takes an ever-increasing (over time) proportion of your hard-earned income and gives it to people who feel that they are entitled to it too, despite having no inclination to work for it?

Comment by barf, on 2-Feb-2010 13:42

free market capitalism is a much bigger risk than socialism, to the average joe at least.

Author's note by dmw, on 3-Feb-2010 21:14

barf: free market capitalism is a much bigger risk than socialism, to the average joe at least

Why is the opportunity to get ahead as a direct result of your own hard work "a much bigger risk" than the govt taking away a large portion of your property and means of production and giving it to others?

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