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Topic # 55746 8-Jan-2010 17:47 Send private message

Looking at this month's SkyWatch I see that the Australian Open is not being broadcast in HD (although I am almost certain it will be recorded in HD).

Based on this situation, I have no intention off purchasing the HD ticket for Jan-Feb (currently, not interested in any other sport in HD, unless it's on FTA of course).

My question is if anyone knows if the non-HD ticket version of a downsampled HD broadcast is in any way different than if I had the HD ticket.
I'm thinking it shouldn't make any difference at all - just wanting to confirm.

TIA.

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  Reply # 288262 8-Jan-2010 19:24 Send private message

Yes, because there are actually two distinctly different transmissions, a low bitrate debaucherised DVB-S mpeg2 576i transmission (not fit to watch at all in my opinion) and a better DVB-S2 H.264 1080i transmission running at the HD bitrate whether upscaled from a downscaled HD transmission or passed through in HD.

P.S. I think Sky image quality is so poor I gave my decoder back to them.




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  Reply # 288273 8-Jan-2010 20:03 Send private message

Spyware: Yes, because there are actually two distinctly different transmissions, a low bitrate debaucherised DVB-S mpeg2 576i transmission (not fit to watch at all in my opinion) and a better DVB-S2 H.264 1080i transmission running at the HD bitrate whether upscaled from a downscaled HD transmission or passed through in HD.


Curious.

So, are you saying that Sky actually broadcast two transmissions for the same (Sky Sports) channel to the MySkyHDi box? One is the low quality SD version, and the other an HD version (either native HD, or upscaled SD, or upscaled SD from a downscaled HD feed)?

In which case, all the HD ticket does is switch over to the HD transmission?

Which possibly means the dual transmission also occurs for Sky Movies and Sky Movie Greats - since I understand you also need an HD ticket to see things in proper HD there as well (?)

Apologies for the ignorance. If that's the case, then so be it. Just seems a lot of unncessary bandwidth when Sky could send a single transmission which is then crippled at the MySkyHDi box if you don't have a ticket.

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  Reply # 288275 8-Jan-2010 20:09 Send private message

The transponder the mySky HDi looks at for certain channels is determined by programming on the smartcard. If you don't buy the HD ticket you merely see the old 576i DVB-S mpeg2 transmissions.




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  Reply # 288280 8-Jan-2010 20:30 Send private message

Spyware: The transponder the mySky HDi looks at for certain channels is determined by programming on the smartcard. If you don't buy the HD ticket you merely see the old 576i DVB-S mpeg2 transmissions.


Okay, thanks.

That explains a few things (I'm guessing DVB-S2 must still be used for the Freeview HD channels).

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  Reply # 288318 8-Jan-2010 23:44 Send private message

Spyware: The transponder the mySky HDi looks at for certain channels is determined by programming on the smartcard. If you don't buy the HD ticket you merely see the old 576i DVB-S mpeg2 transmissions.


correct.  If you have multi-room, try putting the card that doesn't have HD entitlements, the feed will go back to Sky Sports 1 (as opposed to Sky Sports 1 HD).

Just doing a bit of looking, it seems it might not be Skys fault the tennis won't be in HD.  Seven have exclusive rights to The Australian Open this year (unlike previous years, there will be no games onsold to Foxtel), so it's entirely possible it won't actually be filmed in proper HD.  Seven have a terrible record in terms on HD sports coverage, I think they only did a few regular season AFL games in proper HD (Seven have the rights to two games per weekend)

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  Reply # 292806 25-Jan-2010 02:03 Send private message

I notice that today the Australian Open was listed as HD on the guide and it did look better when watching it, maybe thats just a mind trick though.

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  Reply # 292837 25-Jan-2010 10:24 Send private message

hazza87: I notice that today the Australian Open was listed as HD on the guide and it did look better when watching it, maybe thats just a mind trick though.


contary to previous reports, I see the other day it was being shown in HD in Australia.

The 'SD' feed on Sky Sport 1 HD looks pretty decent for 'SD'



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  Reply # 292842 25-Jan-2010 10:45 Send private message

Actually, I believe it's proper HD (when broadcast on the Sky Sport HD channel). When I talked to a Sky rep a while back they said they couldn't confirm at the time if it would be in HD or not.
I think you can usually tell a proper HD feed by the definition in people's faces and skin tone/texture. When they broadcast the Open - albeit briefly, on Sky Sport 3, I noticed a marked decline in quality.

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  Reply # 292862 25-Jan-2010 13:24 Send private message

I was watching the coverage yesterday on Sky Sports 2, and the 'Available in HD' watermark appeared a few times. I checked the Guide, where there is no mention that the Australian Open broadcast is High Definition.
False Advertising or Genuine Mistake?




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  Reply # 292866 25-Jan-2010 13:30 Send private message

I am tempted to think the epg is correct, it much easier for them to have that up to date. Also last week there were no hd flags in guide or on screen. I think they have got the 2nd weeks coverahe in hd. I am watching it now and the lines on the court are pretty sharp.

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  Reply # 292867 25-Jan-2010 13:33 Send private message

if anyone cares, here is where the HD coverage of tennis is being discussed...

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=56875

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  Reply # 292887 25-Jan-2010 15:01 Send private message

I am so keen to start up a paytv and push say to do more this is getting to crazy. Only one for all new Zealand. We need more then just one here. But the cost will be alot




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  Reply # 292899 25-Jan-2010 15:57 Send private message

I just don't understand all this - we have been watching the Oz tennis all weekend and it's all in glorious spiffing HD - looks just wonderful. We have MySky with HD ticket. It was on Sky Sport 1.

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  Reply # 292906 25-Jan-2010 16:24 Send private message

If you were watching it last week you would have noticed it was only upscaled! until this weekend when it seems to have switched over to proper hd

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  Reply # 293174 26-Jan-2010 17:51 Send private message

Yep. Definitely not in HD until the weekend. I wonder why it wasn't in HD for the earlier part of the week. The tennis looks great in HD.

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