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Topic # 101350 30-Apr-2012 08:37 Send private message

So I got a Tivo at one of these $200 sales the other day and saw there was a networking package is required to transfer recordings around your network...You buy the package and get sent a Media Access Key and have the webserver enabled on your device from what I can tell. Sounds straight forward.

So why would I want to do that if I can already connect to the device via https, already have a MAK and can copy files from it to my PC? I get the HNP lets you download a full featured Tvio app for your PC/Mac which lets you change it's format to mp4 or whatever... Surely I'm missing something else here.

Secondly, what sorts of transfer speeds do you get from your device? I've got mine wired through the adsl router (10/100) but only get a pitiful 2.7MB/s to the media pc which is also wired to the same router. From memory the wireless speeds were understandably much worse - around 1.2 MB/s




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  Reply # 617222 30-Apr-2012 08:50 Send private message

You need the HNP to transfer files from TiVo to your computer. I get around 10 Mbps when transferring on a wired connection or around 8 mbs on wireless.


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  Reply # 617225 30-Apr-2012 08:55 Send private message

gished: So I got a Tivo at one of these $200 sales the other day and saw there was a networking package is required to transfer recordings around your network...You buy the package and get sent a Media Access Key and have the webserver enabled on your device from what I can tell. Sounds straight forward.


I dont think the HNP gives you web server access, it just allows you to transfer recordings to/from the tivo(s) to other other devices on the network



So why would I want to do that if I can already connect to the device via https, already have a MAK and can copy files from it to my PC? I get the HNP lets you download a full featured Tvio app for your PC/Mac which lets you change it's format to mp4 or whatever... Surely I'm missing something else here.



You only need one HNP key per network, no matter how many tivos are on it as it's linked to the account not the devices, if  you are already using another peice of software and it's working for you, stick with it.




Secondly, what sorts of transfer speeds do you get from your device? I've got mine wired through the adsl router (10/100) but only get a pitiful 2.7MB/s to the media pc which is also wired to the same router. From memory the wireless speeds were understandably much worse - around 1.2 MB/s



That's about the speed i'm getting, remember there is also a media conversion going on at the same time


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  Reply # 617226 30-Apr-2012 08:56 Send private message

I get about 10 ~ 12 Mbits..




Regards,

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  Reply # 617228 30-Apr-2012 09:02 Send private message

dukester: You need the HNP to transfer files from TiVo to your computer. I get around 10 Mbps when transferring on a wired connection or around 8 mbs on wireless.


gregmcc:
I dont think the HNP gives you web server access, it just allows you to transfer recordings to/from the tivo(s) to other other devices on the network




...but I can already do that and I definitely haven't purchased the HNP. Are they giving part of the HNP away now or something?

Dukester are you using a gigabit switch and/or wireless N?



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  Reply # 617234 30-Apr-2012 09:10 Send private message

old3eyes: I get about 10 ~ 12 Mbits..


12Mb = 1.5MB/s... Wireless I take it?

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  Reply # 617240 30-Apr-2012 09:17 Send private message

gished: I can already connect to the device via https, already have a MAK and can copy files from it to my PC


Write a step by step guide on how you are doing this and then others can try and report back to you....



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  Reply # 617255 30-Apr-2012 09:41 Send private message

From pc on network enter in https://tivo-ip
Get untrusted certificate prompt / accept
Get user:password prompt
End up on screen showing recordings on Tivo. Each recording has its size and the option to link to a MPEG-PS and MPEG-TS.
Click on a link prompts another User:pwd request and then the browser begins saving the *.tivo file
Open Tivo file on PC using Windows Media player (have already installed Tivo Software)

I haven't tried viewing my own recordings on a pc yet due to the size however the tutorials work fine.

My understanding is that this is just the backend which the tivo pc software interfaces with. I can also access the Tivo using that software directly as well.






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  Reply # 617257 30-Apr-2012 09:43 Send private message

Jaxson:
gished: I can already connect to the device via https, already have a MAK and can copy files from it to my PC


Write a step by step guide on how you are doing this and then others can try and report back to you....






Hmm... just done a quick bit of googling......

Looks like there is a web server embedded in Tivo's

try the following

https://192.168.1.7


Replace the ip with the ip address of your tivo(s)

Don't forget it's a HTTPS

Accecpt the certificates,

The login name is Tivo

the password is your media access key, hey presto you now have a list of recorded shows you can transfer

easy.


So what other web server pages are avaliable?






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  Reply # 617265 30-Apr-2012 09:54 Send private message

Yeah but gished appears to be getting into his without a media access key....

Am I reading that right?
How are you getting on with passwords?

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  Reply # 617276 30-Apr-2012 10:09 Send private message

gished: ...already have a MAK...

This is the bit I am interested in.  Having a MAK without the HNP purchase

EDIT - or is the MAK just there now?  (I'm at work, so I can't check my device)

IMPORTANT NOTE: After activating your TiVo and completing the guided set-up, it takes up to 24 hours to receive your Media Access Key. Until you receive this key on your device you will not be able to utilise the Home Networking Package features. To see if the Media Access Key – select Messages and Settings> Account & System Information > Media Access Key  --  http://support.mytivo.co.nz/index.php?action=artikel&cat=18&id=38

So that sounds like everyone has a MAK, regardless of whether you have puchased the HNP



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  Reply # 617285 30-Apr-2012 10:25 Send private message

Exactly gregmcc! The first thing I did once I got the Tivo working was checked around the net to see what networking stuff was available. It initially took >24 hours for the tivo webserver to display a page but after that I just did as you mentioned using tivo:(MAK#) as the credentials.

I'm pretty sure I can also connect using the tivo software which from memory was downloaded from a tivo.com address (opposed to a *.co.nz address) The installer asked for my location so I don't imagine d/ling it from the  NZ Tivo site would have been any different.

That asked for my MAK as well when I was setting it up


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  Reply # 617306 30-Apr-2012 10:47 Send private message

gished: Exactly gregmcc! The first thing I did once I got the Tivo working was checked around the net to see what networking stuff was available. It initially took >24 hours for the tivo webserver to display a page but after that I just did as you mentioned using tivo:(MAK#) as the credentials.

I'm pretty sure I can also connect using the tivo software which from memory was downloaded from a tivo.com address (opposed to a *.co.nz address) The installer asked for my location so I don't imagine d/ling it from the  NZ Tivo site would have been any different.

That asked for my MAK as well when I was setting it up



I think there is a bit of confusion between the MAK and the 'desktop plus" key, the MAK everyone gets one of these per account, where as the desktop plus key is part of the HNP, the extra add on





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  Reply # 617317 30-Apr-2012 10:59 Send private message

gregmcc:
I think there is a bit of confusion between the MAK and the 'desktop plus" key, the MAK everyone gets one of these per account, where as the desktop plus key is part of the HNP, the extra add on


...so what else does the HNP offer apart from 'Desktop Plus'? This is where I'm confused.

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  Reply # 617327 30-Apr-2012 11:12 Send private message

gished:
gregmcc:
I think there is a bit of confusion between the MAK and the 'desktop plus" key, the MAK everyone gets one of these per account, where as the desktop plus key is part of the HNP, the extra add on


...so what else does the HNP offer apart from 'Desktop Plus'? This is where I'm confused.


A nice interface, conversion to different formats depending on what device it's going to, scheduled transfers, managing more than 1 tivo .

On the tivo side you can view your photo stored on your PC, stream MP3's from your PC



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  Reply # 617336 30-Apr-2012 11:23 Send private message

gregmcc:
gished:
gregmcc:
I think there is a bit of confusion between the MAK and the 'desktop plus" key, the MAK everyone gets one of these per account, where as the desktop plus key is part of the HNP, the extra add on


...so what else does the HNP offer apart from 'Desktop Plus'? This is where I'm confused.


A nice interface, conversion to different formats depending on what device it's going to, scheduled transfers, managing more than 1 tivo .

On the tivo side you can view your photo stored on your PC, stream MP3's from your PC




Does it not also allow you to view recordings from one TiVo on another in the house?

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