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Topic # 103027 29-May-2012 08:31 Send private message

I read a article that some of the parties are not sure who would foot the bill to get the cables to your house.  Has anyone gone fibre yet and can give some rough estimate on the prices?  Just your normal suburban house beside the road, Auckland, Christchurch, Wellington etc ...

We have just been given a pamphlet by Orcon that is about it.  They just said that they had to send out a enginner to give us a price. 

If people go with fibre can they go back to copper wire?  If we move out, the parents don't use computers. 

I'm guessing it might be XXXX charges to get it to the house, then maybe up to $400 for other jobs and to re-route the RJ11 phones back into a IP ATA(s). 



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  Reply # 632357 30-May-2012 01:37 Send private message

If you are on a road front house, the connection, digging, trenching should be free. If you need any special wiring done inside your house from the demarc to your computer, then that is extra.
If your house is more than XX? metres from the kerb then you pay the difference for the extra trenching etc.

I cant remember exactly what the distance limit is from the kerb but basically most houses on a back section i think had to pay for installation, and those on front road facing sections were covered free. Same in wellington with the telstra clear cable network - i know many people have said they couldnt get it because their house was up a long driveway.

The demarc point or ETP will probably be on the wall closest to the road. You use a wifi router or cat5 internal cabling to get it from there to your computer.




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  Reply # 632806 30-May-2012 18:35 Send private message

raytaylor: If you are on a road front house, the connection, digging, trenching should be free. If you need any special wiring done inside your house from the demarc to your computer, then that is extra.
If your house is more than XX? metres from the kerb then you pay the difference for the extra trenching etc.

I cant remember exactly what the distance limit is from the kerb but basically most houses on a back section i think had to pay for installation, and those on front road facing sections were covered free. Same in wellington with the telstra clear cable network - i know many people have said they couldnt get it because their house was up a long driveway.

The demarc point or ETP will probably be on the wall closest to the road. You use a wifi router or cat5 internal cabling to get it from there to your computer.


Have to wonder what the charges are, If its over about $200 on average I wouldn't expect to see a very high uptake in back houses.

I live in a back rental house which leaves me up a creek without a paddle.

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  Reply # 632825 30-May-2012 19:21 Send private message



I live in a back rental house which leaves me up an internet without a fiber connection.



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  Reply # 632834 30-May-2012 19:27 Send private message

The simple reality is the average fibre install is a $1000+ job by the time labour and equipment is factored in. For a complex install this price could easily double, and clearly if users were charged this takeup would be minimal.

At the end of the day however somebody has to pay this cost. Much has been made of residential installs being free, however who is ultimately going to pay that cost is something that everybody needs to decide.

It's worth noting that these costs exclude internal wiring, so if a end user wants to take full advantage of the higher speeds they're clearly going to need to run cat5e cabling around their home at an extra cost to themselves. They may also be charged if they want a custom install such as hooking an ATA up to existing phone wiring.


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  Reply # 632839 30-May-2012 19:32 Send private message

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raytaylor: If you are on a road front house, the connection, digging, trenching should be free. If you need any special wiring done inside your house from the demarc to your computer, then that is extra.
If your house is more than XX? metres from the kerb then you pay the difference for the extra trenching etc.

I cant remember exactly what the distance limit is from the kerb but basically most houses on a back section i think had to pay for installation, and those on front road facing sections were covered free. Same in wellington with the telstra clear cable network - i know many people have said they couldnt get it because their house was up a long driveway.

The demarc point or ETP will probably be on the wall closest to the road. You use a wifi router or cat5 internal cabling to get it from there to your computer.


Have to wonder what the charges are, If its over about $200 on average I wouldn't expect to see a very high uptake in back houses.

I live in a back rental house which leaves me up a creek without a paddle.


IIRC aerial "overage" is about $8/m, It would pay to remember aswell that it's also X meters from the pole so in a compact setting a house out that back may be within the coverage or only be out by only a few meters




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  Reply # 632840 30-May-2012 19:33 Send private message

Anyone priced getting the gas on or getting the sh1t taken away, can easily cost way more than $2k. Recently we had our Gas main fail, its 20m from the street and the meter is down at the street so it was all my gas main, $2k didnt even touch the sides.

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  Reply # 632842 30-May-2012 19:38 Send private message

cyril7: Anyone priced getting the gas on or getting the sh1t taken away, can easily cost way more than $2k. Recently we had our Gas main fail, its 20m from the street and the meter is down at the street so it was all my gas main, $2k didnt even touch the sides.

Cyril


And getting power to your property. Comms has always been the cheapest service to get to your house and yet people still moan. You pay for EVERYTHING when getting power to your new house and people don't care about that because they need it.

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  Reply # 632849 30-May-2012 19:56 Send private message

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cyril7: Anyone priced getting the gas on or getting the sh1t taken away, can easily cost way more than $2k. Recently we had our Gas main fail, its 20m from the street and the meter is down at the street so it was all my gas main, $2k didnt even touch the sides.

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And getting power to your property. Comms has always been the cheapest service to get to your house and yet people still moan. You pay for EVERYTHING when getting power to your new house and people don't care about that because they need it.


Yep. All that's happening is that it's the first time in goodness knows how long that a comms network is being rolled out to the mass base; the only people who ever delt with these questions previously were those building on new sections.... the minority of NZ...

Steve Biddle:$1k for an install? and the rest guv - easily $2.5k as an average measure.... coffee in Auckland is expensive, and breaking that volcanic rock takes time....




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  Reply # 632860 30-May-2012 20:10 Send private message

Could do what I am going to do when UFB comes to my street-
I live on a back section and my parents are behind me again, so we have one, possibly two houses to get connected. So I am going to be putting a PVC box up the driveway, and running a couple of cat5e back to each of the houses along the fence against the driveway.

That way chorus just need to install the ETP inside the PVC box, and I power it using 48v from the houses and a 12v stepdown transformer at the street end.

The other possibility is that i know the primary copper pair going out to the street has water in it under our driveway. I have been told by chorus that the whole cable will need to be replaced at chorus' cost if the second copper pair (which now carries my phone) were to also become "damaged" and they would most likley directional drill it.




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  Reply # 632888 30-May-2012 20:44 Send private message

Ray, I would be exceptionally surprised if Chorus would agree that that type of installation.

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  Reply # 632932 30-May-2012 21:50 Send private message

networkn: Ray, I would be exceptionally surprised if Chorus would agree that that type of installation.


Cant do anything but try when the time comes if it will save a couple of $k 




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  Reply # 632938 30-May-2012 21:58 Send private message

raytaylor:
networkn: Ray, I would be exceptionally surprised if Chorus would agree that that type of installation.


Cant do anything but try when the time comes if it will save a couple of $k 


Chorus may but I doubt you will find an ISP that will accept that. Under the UFB ISP's are responsible for the ONT and have to cough up for damaging it or having it stolen




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  Reply # 632941 30-May-2012 22:01 Send private message

Yup, for the sake of a couple grand, considering the value for money proposition I would think it would be a crime to undertake what you are suggesting. Momma always told me, if it a job is worth doing....

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  Reply # 632954 30-May-2012 22:21 Send private message

raytaylor: Could do what I am going to do when UFB comes to my street-
I live on a back section and my parents are behind me again, so we have one, possibly two houses to get connected. So I am going to be putting a PVC box up the driveway, and running a couple of cat5e back to each of the houses along the fence against the driveway.

That way chorus just need to install the ETP inside the PVC box, and I power it using 48v from the houses and a 12v stepdown transformer at the street end.

The other possibility is that i know the primary copper pair going out to the street has water in it under our driveway. I have been told by chorus that the whole cable will need to be replaced at chorus' cost if the second copper pair (which now carries my phone) were to also become "damaged" and they would most likley directional drill it.


Hmm, the benefit for Chorus to do something with the potential to have lots of comebacks is? I'd say you have something between no chance and less than no chance.

On a more serious note this is the sort of unsupported solution that I'd be really upset about if it was approved. We (everyone who pays tax) are paying a great deal of money to have UFB implemented in a way that provides a robust solution for ordinary house and business owners. This sort of install is fine while you live there but when the next home owner comes along you've got a pile of wires and a transformer.

 

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  Reply # 632975 30-May-2012 22:44 Send private message

Handle9: 

On a more serious note this is the sort of unsupported solution that I'd be really upset about if it was approved. We (everyone who pays tax) are paying a great deal of money to have UFB implemented in a way that provides a robust solution for ordinary house and business owners. This sort of install is fine while you live there but when the next home owner comes along you've got a pile of wires and a transformer.

 

I agree, the house I'm currently in had been wired and re-wired several times by guys who clearly didn't have broadband in mind when creating the mess they have. Join after join after join with all manner of different grade wires.

It's one of those things you just don't want to have to deal with, it should all just work and be done to the agreed standard, a bit like when you get gas installed at your property, should get signed off.

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