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Topic # 111911 19-Nov-2012 15:25 Send private message

Hello Everyone,

Firstly I'd like to say forgive me if this has already been thoroughly discussed elsewhere, in which please feel free to link me to that post.

So my question to people who already have Fibre or some form of "UFB" (Telstra's 100mbit cable, or VDSL, etc) is what kind of speeds are you getting to other countries? Seen as a huge majority of our daily web applications are hosted internationally I feel these 30/10, 100/50 speeds people are getting are fairly "useless" unless the international speeds are improved as well.

To anyone who is willing to spend a couple of minutes testing this for others to see in this post, please post:
- The plan you are paying for (eg: 100/50, 30/10, 50/50, etc - regarding speed)
- Some speedtest results to NZ servers
- And then any speedtest results you get to international server (especially, Australia, USA, etc)

Of course SpeedTest.net Only shows part of the story however I feel it would be a good start in determining how useful these new UFB technologies actually will be in real world usage. If anybody else has other simple ways of testing international bandwidth that would be great! :)

Cheers,
Aidan




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  Reply # 719590 19-Nov-2012 16:14 Send private message

Wouldnt www.truenet.co.nz be the best placed to answer this question ?

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  Reply # 719596 19-Nov-2012 16:21 Send private message

CoolAs101: Hello Everyone,

Firstly I'd like to say forgive me if this has already been thoroughly discussed elsewhere, in which please feel free to link me to that post.

So my question to people who already have Fibre or some form of "UFB" (Telstra's 100mbit cable, or VDSL, etc) is what kind of speeds are you getting to other countries? Seen as a huge majority of our daily web applications are hosted internationally I feel these 30/10, 100/50 speeds people are getting are fairly "useless" unless the international speeds are improved as well.

To anyone who is willing to spend a couple of minutes testing this for others to see in this post, please post:
- The plan you are paying for (eg: 100/50, 30/10, 50/50, etc - regarding speed)
- Some speedtest results to NZ servers
- And then any speedtest results you get to international server (especially, Australia, USA, etc)

Of course SpeedTest.net Only shows part of the story however I feel it would be a good start in determining how useful these new UFB technologies actually will be in real world usage. If anybody else has other simple ways of testing international bandwidth that would be great! :)

Cheers,
Aidan


You are mainly limited by the speed of light, International speeds for single TCP streams can only go so fast, UFB isn't going to solve this for you.

However contention will be king for you, Here's my home connection





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  Reply # 719601 19-Nov-2012 16:30 Send private message

hobsonlea: Wouldnt www.truenet.co.nz be the best placed to answer this question ?


Thanks, I will take a look at this.

Beccara: 

You are mainly limited by the speed of light, International speeds for single TCP streams can only go so fast, UFB isn't going to solve this for you.

However contention will be king for you, Here's my home connection



Thank you for sharing this. I understand what you are saying and that is the main reason for this post, is to determine how useful Fibre or other UFB technologies will actually be when large amounts of our day to day apps and sites are stored overseas.

Of course Fibre will be awesome for locally hosted services such as TVNZ On Demand, and it will encourage more locally hosted content.

It looks like our connections to Australia are very strong, seemingly just as strong as connections within New Zealand (disregarding the Ping, which only affects certain applications).

I would be interested to hearing form anybody else living in other parts of New Zealand, even with other technologies to compare international connections.

-Aidan




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  Reply # 719613 19-Nov-2012 16:41 Send private message

Connections to Australia are good, in part because they're closer. Speed of light and TCP are the two biggest factors.




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  Reply # 719635 19-Nov-2012 17:41 Send private message

sbiddle: Connections to Australia are good, in part because they're closer. Speed of light and TCP are the two biggest factors.



Does yourself, or anybody else know (or know where to find out), how much of our regular content is actually hosted in Australia? I think the major things would be Google (Gmail, YouTube, Drive/Docs, etc) and Facebook (at least in my opinion, of course there are countless others too).

Because if these major sources of daily content and applications are hosted in Australia then Fibre and other UFB technologies would be very useful. However if they are hosted in places like USA, then we would need to see how good UFB is to these other places.

-Aidan




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  Reply # 719658 19-Nov-2012 18:37 Send private message

I think the nearest Google data centre to us is in Singapore.

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  Reply # 719672 19-Nov-2012 18:52 Send private message

http://www.google.com/about/datacenters/inside/locations/

by geographic location - yup singapore

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  Reply # 719679 19-Nov-2012 18:55 Send private message

DarthKermit: I think the nearest Google data centre to us is in Singapore.


Google are in Sydney.

In many ways connectivity to Australia is as important as connectivity to the US any beyond. With CDN's becoming a key way of delivering high bandwidth content, and Australia becoming a key location for CDN nodes then it's important to have good speeds.

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  Reply # 719795 19-Nov-2012 22:10 Send private message

I'm on Orcon's 30/10.




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  Reply # 719829 19-Nov-2012 23:14 Send private message

Remember UFB isn't just about looking at your friends embarrassing pics on Facebook faster but for things like medical imaging, consolidation of IT systems for local businesses, cloud computing for government etc.

Lots of content is already in NZ like most FB photos are on Akamai I think now. Lots of ISPs have Youtube caches so youtube comes from within NZ (or at least the large sized content).





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  Reply # 719838 19-Nov-2012 23:18 Send private message

I'm on snap VDSL. Hmmm.... getting some pretty good international results from speedtest right now (for what little it's worth ;-) ) not really sure whether to believe some of these TBH....













EDIT: Also a download from kernel.org east coast US server looking pretty snappy at times, though not so much at others.



wget http://149.20.4.69/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/linux-3.5.4.tar.bz2
--2012-11-19 23:14:14-- http://149.20.4.69/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/linux-3.5.4.tar.bz2
Connecting to 149.20.4.69:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 80980207 (77M) [application/x-bzip2]
Saving to: `linux-3.5.4.tar.bz2.4'

100%[======================================>] 80,980,207 825K/s in 89s

2012-11-19 23:15:44 (887 KB/s) - `linux-3.5.4.tar.bz2.4' saved [80980207/80980207]



wget http://149.20.4.69/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/linux-3.5.4.tar.bz2
--2012-11-19 23:18:11-- http://149.20.4.69/pub/linux/kernel/v3.0/linux-3.5.4.tar.bz2
Connecting to 149.20.4.69:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 80980207 (77M) [application/x-bzip2]
Saving to: `linux-3.5.4.tar.bz2.7'

100%[======================================>] 80,980,207 3.43M/s in 24s

2012-11-19 23:18:35 (3.20 MB/s) - `linux-3.5.4.tar.bz2.7' saved [80980207/80980207]


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  Reply # 719910 20-Nov-2012 08:46 Send private message

Who needs fibre!!

Yep, on the face of it, those are really impressive rates.

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  Reply # 719934 20-Nov-2012 09:26 Send private message

I'm wondering if there's some caching going on there though; I've seen speeds around 25mbps from the US east coast (even that rarely) but never over 30...

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  Reply # 719977 20-Nov-2012 10:46 Send private message

Zeon: Remember UFB isn't just about looking at your friends embarrassing pics on Facebook faster but for things like medical imaging, consolidation of IT systems for local businesses, cloud computing for government etc.

Lots of content is already in NZ like most FB photos are on Akamai I think now. Lots of ISPs have Youtube caches so youtube comes from within NZ (or at least the large sized content).


facebook moved their photos to california recently.  that said california speeds shouldn't be too bad.  what's annoying is when facebook randomly decides to direct to an https version even when you don't have https enabled.



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  Reply # 719988 20-Nov-2012 11:04 Send private message

Zeon: Remember UFB isn't just about looking at your friends embarrassing pics on Facebook faster but for things like medical imaging, consolidation of IT systems for local businesses, cloud computing for government etc.


I understand what you are saying however the main point of this post is looking at the "average" user, in which most of them (or "us") do not have much care towards the things you mentioned. Of course I'm not saying they are irrelevant at all, however from the average user's perspective services such as Gmail, YouTube, Facebook and these new cloud services (such as Megaupload- before it got closed, Google Drive, SkyDrive, etc) are the first things that come to mind when internet is mentioned.

@sidefx

Those are some interesting speeds you have there! I thank you for sharing, it looks like our USA connections aren't too bad, I just hope Southern Cross and potentially Pacific Fibre (if KimdotCom jumps in) can match this growing demand. It'd be interesting to see someone with a 100mbps connection to test their international connections too?

-Aidan






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