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  Reply # 564895 5-Jan-2012 16:28 Send private message

ahmad:
jbard:
sbiddle: Those who have issues with their perceived pricing value need to take a look at the target market of the product. Skinny isn't aimed at everybody, it's a niche product aimed at a young target market.



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I am also confused about this though, targeting a market which is basically looking for the cheapest price possible and is often short of cash - Having $5, $10, $20 top ups when people will be spending $4, $8, $16 doesn't make any sense.

Sure if you top up $5 every week for a month then you have enough for you first week next month free but teenagers don't work like that. They would much prefer the $1 now.

Also surely the main use of a phone for a teenager is text, with skinny you can get 3000 for $16/month - sure you get some minutes and data as well but i think the majority of teenagers aren't that interested in those.

That math doesn't add up, much better off on Telecom or 2 degrees.

 

You forget that some may not have $20 in one go (yes, shock horror). The ability to top up $5 at a time is key to this pricing model.

I also did a double take at the $4/week pricing but hey it's better than $5/week isn't it? ;) 


Yeah i get that plenty of people can't/won't spend $20 in one go.

But if your pricing model is $4 based surely top ups should be $4 based?

Seems logical to me anyway. 

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  Reply # 564900 5-Jan-2012 16:34 Send private message

ajw:
ahmad: Slingshot mobile? Aside from the irony of now being an XT MVNO (after taking advantage of the epic XT outages to lure customers to their Vodafone MVNO services), to quote a friend he'd rather "crush his bollocks and feed them to himself" after the endless billing problems on Slingshot.


A friend recently joined them and got the free LG P500 optimus. But is being charged 23 CPM for voice calls.
His last minimum spend for the month was supposed to be $10 but he just got his first bill at just under $5.

Is that the best deal in NZ at the moment? Aside from having to deal with SS that looks pretty good. But again it's beside the point here because it requires an application that many people using Skinny won't be able to pass. 




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  Reply # 564903 5-Jan-2012 16:36 Send private message

jbard:
ahmad:
jbard:
sbiddle: Those who have issues with their perceived pricing value need to take a look at the target market of the product. Skinny isn't aimed at everybody, it's a niche product aimed at a young target market.



+1

I am also confused about this though, targeting a market which is basically looking for the cheapest price possible and is often short of cash - Having $5, $10, $20 top ups when people will be spending $4, $8, $16 doesn't make any sense.

Sure if you top up $5 every week for a month then you have enough for you first week next month free but teenagers don't work like that. They would much prefer the $1 now.

Also surely the main use of a phone for a teenager is text, with skinny you can get 3000 for $16/month - sure you get some minutes and data as well but i think the majority of teenagers aren't that interested in those.

That math doesn't add up, much better off on Telecom or 2 degrees.

 

You forget that some may not have $20 in one go (yes, shock horror). The ability to top up $5 at a time is key to this pricing model.

I also did a double take at the $4/week pricing but hey it's better than $5/week isn't it? ;) 


Yeah i get that plenty of people can't/won't spend $20 in one go.

But if your pricing model is $4 based surely top ups should be $4 based?

Seems logical to me anyway. 

Totally illogical to have $4 topups. $5 is a "fiver" and is convenient as it's also a unit of currency. Also with $4 topups how do you profit from overage?




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  Reply # 564906 5-Jan-2012 16:46 Send private message

ahmad:
jbard:
ahmad:
jbard:
sbiddle: Those who have issues with their perceived pricing value need to take a look at the target market of the product. Skinny isn't aimed at everybody, it's a niche product aimed at a young target market.



+1

I am also confused about this though, targeting a market which is basically looking for the cheapest price possible and is often short of cash - Having $5, $10, $20 top ups when people will be spending $4, $8, $16 doesn't make any sense.

Sure if you top up $5 every week for a month then you have enough for you first week next month free but teenagers don't work like that. They would much prefer the $1 now.

Also surely the main use of a phone for a teenager is text, with skinny you can get 3000 for $16/month - sure you get some minutes and data as well but i think the majority of teenagers aren't that interested in those.

That math doesn't add up, much better off on Telecom or 2 degrees.

 

You forget that some may not have $20 in one go (yes, shock horror). The ability to top up $5 at a time is key to this pricing model.

I also did a double take at the $4/week pricing but hey it's better than $5/week isn't it? ;) 


Yeah i get that plenty of people can't/won't spend $20 in one go.

But if your pricing model is $4 based surely top ups should be $4 based?

Seems logical to me anyway. 

Totally illogical to have $4 topups. $5 is a "fiver" and is convenient as it's also a unit of currency. Also with $4 topups how do you profit from overage?


I think that is pretty redundant these days, the majority of transactions aren't cash anymore. 
The only reason for a $5 top up is to profit from overage. 

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  Reply # 564918 5-Jan-2012 17:09 Send private message

Man, listen to you bunch of whining girls, no matter what price they set it at you'll still complain.

Be grateful they didn't make the combo's $5 per week, no matter how logical that actually sounds.

For the rest of us, this is awesome value compared to what else is available in the market.


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  Reply # 564922 5-Jan-2012 17:25 Send private message

insane: Man, listen to you bunch of whining girls, no matter what price they set it at you'll still complain.

Be grateful they didn't make the combo's $5 per week, no matter how logical that actually sounds.

For the rest of us, this is awesome value compared to what else is available in the market.



Preach. 





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  Reply # 564925 5-Jan-2012 17:31 Send private message

Emailed them at 5:00pm for free sim, they replied at 5:06 saying it was on the way!

I bet none of the other mobile telco's could respond that fast to a support email.. this looks promising.


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  Reply # 564926 5-Jan-2012 17:33 Send private message

insane: Emailed them at 5:00pm for free sim, they replied at 5:06 saying it was on the way!

I bet none of the other mobile telco's could respond that fast to a support email.. this looks promising.


Not the same here, took them 24 minutes!!!!

Only kidding, getting something for nothing... Pretty good on their behalf I must admit.

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  Reply # 564927 5-Jan-2012 17:35 Send private message

insane: Emailed them at 5:00pm for free sim, they replied at 5:06 saying it was on the way!

I bet none of the other mobile telco's could respond that fast to a support email.. this looks promising.



They only launched this morning. Wait till they have 50,000 or so customers and then try the response times.

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  Reply # 564952 5-Jan-2012 19:17 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
richms: Doesnt for me as much of auckland is outside the broadband zone. I will wait and see what skinny offers for thr ipad etc before considering them for data
 

"Much of Auckland"? You have to go north of Silverdale or south of the Bombays... I wouldn't say that left "much of Auckland" without broadband zone coverage, myself.
 

Unless things have changed I used to drop in and out of the broadband zone driving between Albany and Riverhead 

BTT....

$4/wk for 40minutes anytime/any network minutes is outstanding value for people that purely want a phone to talk on, according to my calculations that works out to around 170odd minutes a month for less than $17.50/mth and that is value that no other network can offer

Skinny is not smartphone friendly but as mentioned it does not seem like it is meant to be, as long as you are either a texter or a talker you will be stoked. It will be interesting to see if/what other addons will be introduced. 

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  Reply # 564954 5-Jan-2012 19:23 Send private message

Wade:
SaltyNZ:
richms: Doesnt for me as much of auckland is outside the broadband zone. I will wait and see what skinny offers for thr ipad etc before considering them for data


"Much of Auckland"? You have to go north of Silverdale or south of the Bombays... I wouldn't say that left "much of Auckland" without broadband zone coverage, myself.


Unless things have changed I used to drop in and out of the broadband zone driving between Albany and Riverhead 


Quite a big deadzone in coverage where I am in Oteha, close enough to Albany. Their Tauranga and Hamilton coverage seems a hell of a lot better than the 3 main centres judging from the coverage map

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  Reply # 564959 5-Jan-2012 19:32 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
richms: Doesnt for me as much of auckland is outside the broadband zone. I will wait and see what skinny offers for thr ipad etc before considering them for data


"Much of Auckland"? You have to go north of Silverdale or south of the Bombays... I wouldn't say that left "much of Auckland" without broadband zone coverage, myself.


Scenic drive. coatsville highway. on a boat between rangitoto and torbay. near kumeu.

VF have a 10 for halfgig deal which is very appealing for ipad and i hope is the pricepoint that skinny aim for with tjeir ipad plans




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  Reply # 564972 5-Jan-2012 20:01 Send private message

P1n3apqlExpr3ss:
Quite a big deadzone in coverage where I am in Oteha, close enough to Albany. Their Tauranga and Hamilton coverage seems a hell of a lot better than the 3 main centres judging from the coverage map


Does Skinny's coverage match that of XT or do they only use some of the XT towers? 

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  Reply # 564973 5-Jan-2012 20:03 Send private message

insane:
P1n3apqlExpr3ss:
Quite a big deadzone in coverage where I am in Oteha, close enough to Albany. Their Tauranga and Hamilton coverage seems a hell of a lot better than the 3 main centres judging from the coverage map


Does Skinny's coverage match that of XT or do they only use some of the XT towers? 

All of them, I would say. No reason not to.

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  Reply # 564974 5-Jan-2012 20:09 Send private message

I think this is pretty good to be honest... if you are in their target market.

Just comparing to my current setup on 2Degrees, Skinny has tempted me at first glance. Just writing this down for my own contemplation.


2Degrees: 160mins, 2500 sms, 50mb nat data: $29.00 p/m

Skinny: 160mins, 400 sms, 40mb nat data: $16.00 'p/m' - $4.00 p/w with 1/4 of allowance expiring each week (?)


I have started to use more data now and find myself often adding the 100mb national data pack at $10.00 for 30days use, which would bring the monthly total to $39.00 p/m

If I were on skinny I would be adding the $4.00 120mb data p/w pack giving me an extra 480mb nat data which would bring the total to $32.00 'p/m' - $8.00 p/w with 1/4 expiring each week - pretty good value.

Pro's and con's for me:

2Degrees Pro's

- Pay monthly, no contract. Far more convenient.
- Allowances last longer periods
- No worrying about having to top up
- Online management and add on environment
- Roll over minutes. Love it.
- Cheap intl. calling and SMS
- More SMS p/m (not that I really care).

2Degrees Con's

- Lack of nationwide network
- Data Zones, resulting in differential pricing.
- Poor roaming and intl. SMS connections/agreements
- Lesser quality network - coverage & speed, IMO.

~versus~

Skinny Pro's

- Cheaper calling & data by far compared to my current price range
- Nationwide data, no 'zones'
- Better quality network - coverage & speed (well in theory)
- Cheap intl. calling and SMS (assume they have the same agreements as XT).

Skinny Con's

- Allowances expire weekly (?). Use it or loose it, in a smaller time frame.
- No roll over minutes
- No word yet of online management and add on environment
- Requires more monitoring of funds and the hassle that comes with topping up IMO
- Less SMS (again, I really couldn't care too much about that).


I really hate having to top up, monthly payment is much easier. I also don't like worrying whether or not I have enough credit etc. The prices are very attractive and combining with the fact that they are running on XT got me excited. But the fact that allocations will expire each week (?) would be a pain and I would most likely not recoup the value I had topped up, that's where I think they will get ya.

And I really like having roll over minutes.


Based off of all that, I'll stick with 2D. Just wish they would hurry up and expand their network faster...




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