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  Reply # 681167 4-Sep-2012 09:21 Send private message quote this post

One question I have to ask is:

Is it illegal to humanely kill (shoot or other quick solution) an animal that isn't yours that comes onto your property without you giving permission to the owner?

Seems strange if you can't.

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  Reply # 681177 4-Sep-2012 09:38 Send private message quote this post

if it is not causing or likely to cause injury etc to people why on Earth should you?




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  Reply # 681195 4-Sep-2012 10:02 Send private message quote this post

It's an attitude borne out of frustration. With a you child with a compromised immune system, cat poo is a real problem. Unfortunately councils won't remove a cat like they will a dog. I don't understand why we treat cats any different to other domestic animals.

Coming from a farm, I find it interesting that we are generally happy to eat meat (yes people meat is from dead sheep, cattle and deer) but killing and barbecuing your dog or cat is frowned upon. 

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  Reply # 681196 4-Sep-2012 10:04 Send private message quote this post

cep32: One question I have to ask is:

Is it illegal to humanely kill (shoot or other quick solution) an animal that isn't yours that comes onto your property without you giving permission to the owner?

Seems strange if you can't.


Within town, I'd strongly doubt it. You would however, be entirely within the law to humanely trap an animal and hand it over to the Council's animal control folks. If the owner doesn't claim it, they put it down for you.

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  Reply # 681201 4-Sep-2012 10:07 Send private message quote this post

cep32: It's an attitude borne out of frustration. With a you child with a compromised immune system, cat poo is a real problem. Unfortunately councils won't remove a cat like they will a dog. I don't understand why we treat cats any different to other domestic animals.

Coming from a farm, I find it interesting that we are generally happy to eat meat (yes people meat is from dead sheep, cattle and deer) but killing and barbecuing your dog or cat is frowned upon. 


That's just a local cultural more - in the same way that we don't eat horse meat, but in France, its normal. (don't tell the bleeding-hearts, but NZ exports horse meat to France for eating). IIRC, its not actually illegal to eat dog or cat in NZ, as long as they are slaughtered according to the home-kill laws.



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  Reply # 681209 4-Sep-2012 10:31 Send private message quote this post

KiwiNZ: Naphthalene aka Mothballs is very affective, you need to use it until the cats habits are changed. I use it to stop the neighbourhood pests from using the garden as a toilet. 
the mothballs didnt deter this cat.  Feel like borrowing someones plastic bb gun and plastic bullets to shoot them thinking it wont harm them but will hurt and deter them.  I am a person that wont harm animals. Dont even set mouse traps.




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  Reply # 681225 4-Sep-2012 11:04 Send private message quote this post

Most council bylaws allow cats to travel freely between properties, unlike dogs - which must be contained within owner's property. Cats are probably exempt because they own their human servants.

Mothballs may not be naphthalene-based ( it's flammable ), and 1,4-Dichlorobenzene is often preferred these days. Check the label.

I'd definitely not use Shunkshot ( Victoria University developed ), as it's infamous for use in USA deterring 2-legged vagrants from properties due to it's obnoxious smell and long residual time.

Water pistol/garden hose seems to work if there's only one cat, and there are also commercial products like Feliway available from vets and pet shops, but I've found repeated water spray attacks seem to work best, along with a regular good hot kitchen detergent wash of the spray area to remove all of the accumulated cat smells. With luck, the territory boundary will move elsewhere, such as a tree in the garden.

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  Reply # 681231 4-Sep-2012 11:14 Send private message quote this post

I have found that if you hear them, go out and throw some fruit or similar (not at them but near them) or us a water gun, and yell at them.  Usually scares them off for a good while.  Or get a cat of your own :)

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  Reply # 681240 4-Sep-2012 11:44 Send private message quote this post

jofizz: My friend, who has owned dozens of species of pets, told me once that if you trap a cat, in a humane trap or cage, and give it a good hosing, it will never, ever return :)

Cheers,
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Yes, a friend of mine had a cat urinating on the kitchen bench. This treatment was completely effective.

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  Reply # 681251 4-Sep-2012 11:48 Send private message quote this post

Gilco2:
bakewells5856: could try get some spikey rubber mats or something, cats dont like to walk on spikey things so set up a fortress of them to keep them back. I have also heard cats dont like walking on tinfoil for some reason.

could even have some fun with it if you got a motion sensor with a water sprinkler of some sort

OO OO! scatter some thumtacs arround! cat would certainly enjoy stepping on one of those >:D
yeah wouldnt be too hard to make water sprinkler user motion sensor and relays etc. Just getting activator from car door and then trying to keep it in box to tidy it i suppose.


I did this for 2 weeks. 3 days after dismantling the cat was back inside the house.
Similar example

Also electric fence engergiser + tinfoil on catflap did not work long-term either.


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  Reply # 681255 4-Sep-2012 11:55 Send private message quote this post

I recommend the water, but make sure it's the water scaring off the cat, not you. You want it to associate the punishment (water) with its action (going to the front door), not with you.




 

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  Reply # 681257 4-Sep-2012 11:56 Send private message quote this post

cep32: One question I have to ask is:

Is it illegal to humanely kill (shoot or other quick solution) an animal that isn't yours that comes onto your property without you giving permission to the owner?

Seems strange if you can't.


I get school kids, and children roaming my property



I'd like to humanely trap them, then probably release them to their parents later on




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  Reply # 681287 4-Sep-2012 12:35 Send private message quote this post

Gilco2: the mothballs didnt deter this cat.  Feel like borrowing someones plastic bb gun and plastic bullets to shoot them thinking it wont harm them but will hurt and deter them.  I am a person that wont harm animals. Dont even set mouse traps.

In that case, you will not want to use a bb gun for this purpose. BB gun has plenty of potential for permanent harm.



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  Reply # 681295 4-Sep-2012 12:54 Send private message quote this post

gzt:
Gilco2: the mothballs didnt deter this cat.  Feel like borrowing someones plastic bb gun and plastic bullets to shoot them thinking it wont harm them but will hurt and deter them.  I am a person that wont harm animals. Dont even set mouse traps.

In that case, you will not want to use a bb gun for this purpose. BB gun has plenty of potential for permanent harm.
okay back to drawing board. Was hoping an airsoft pistol with light plastic balls would sting but not harm it.




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  Reply # 684415 11-Sep-2012 14:51 Send private message quote this post

Super soaker filled with warm water and a little bit of white vinegar, immitation pee basically.
The white vinegar (undiluted) is also excellent for getting rid of and offending cat spray stink.

Will not harm the beast but will clearly express your dominance in the territory when you give them a squirt.

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