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Topic # 113820 29-Jan-2013 11:09 Send private message

Hi all,

Flip has just launched this morning a No Cap Data Pack for $35 per month when you get a homeline for $49.95. So in total you're looking at $84.95.



This new pack is unmetered, rather than unlimited as there is a fair use policy - see below

Flip’s unmetered data pack (called ‘No Data Cap Pack’) heavily limits the speed of peer to peer (p2p) downloading at all times to protect overall network performance. This will include other web downloading where appropriate.

At Flip's sole discretion excessive users will be notified to reduce their use, then if no suitable change, removed from this pack.

All other fun stuff like streaming, browsing, gaming and internet calling runs at full speed.



We've also put together a list of limited technologies: http://support.flip.co.nz/entries/23025086-no-cap-data-pack-list-of-limited-technologies

So as you can see, this pack isn't about massive downloading/leeching. It's about heavy use of the internet in general of legal content. Good for flats, families and anyone that simply uses the internet a lot.

I'm around all day to answer questions if you have any.







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  Reply # 752494 29-Jan-2013 11:15 Send private message

Here's some FAQ's


How will gaming perform? And will downloading of games from the likes of Steam be affected?

Gaming will work fine on this pack - it's been tested specifically. 

Downloading of games from sites like Steam will be all good.


How heavily will you be restricting the listed technologies?

Depending on network load, it could drop to around 128k. Please note this not a guaranteed rate.


What about backup/sharing sites like Dropbox?

Dropbox and similar sites that don't overtly allow you share illegal movies etc will be fine.




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  Reply # 752507 29-Jan-2013 11:27 Send private message

I notice Skydrive is on the 'limited' list (a service similar to iCloud or Dropbox, offered by Microsoft). This has very tight integration with Windows 8 and Windows Phone (and can see frequent use on Windows 7/Mac when installed). Any idea why this is restricted?



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  Reply # 752509 29-Jan-2013 11:28 Send private message

nikrolls: I notice Skydrive is on the 'limited' list (a service similar to iCloud or Dropbox, offered by Microsoft). This has very tight integration with Windows 8 and Windows Phone (and can see frequent use on Windows 7/Mac when installed). Any idea why this is restricted?


Sorry, this should have been removed. Updating now.




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  Reply # 752516 29-Jan-2013 11:35 Send private message

nikrolls: I notice Skydrive is on the 'limited' list (a service similar to iCloud or Dropbox, offered by Microsoft). This has very tight integration with Windows 8 and Windows Phone (and can see frequent use on Windows 7/Mac when installed). Any idea why this is restricted?


I think here in New Zealand would be the only place in the world where this sort of thing would happen. This country is totally obsessed with Microsoft products.




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  Reply # 752566 29-Jan-2013 12:17 Send private message

"Say within that..." ....lol typo

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  Reply # 752577 29-Jan-2013 12:23 Send private message

Block List: Megaupload


I'm not sure you need to block that any more :)

Block List: SOCKS4
SOCKS5


:<

Block List: Sendoid


Has been offline for more than ten months.

Block List: Tunnelier


:<

I don't see any services like FileZilla or CuteFTP on the list. What about SSH & sftp? There are a lot of legitimately used tools being blocked here. I think I'll stick to my ISP and keep my unfiltered connection.

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  Reply # 752579 29-Jan-2013 12:25 Send private message

Blocking of SOCKS isn't that nice - but I do see the reasons why.
Replace Megaupload with Mega.co.nz, right?






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  Reply # 752624 29-Jan-2013 13:15 Send private message

naggyman: Blocking of SOCKS isn't that nice - but I do see the reasons why.
Replace Megaupload with Mega.co.nz, right?


Don't want to get into the Megaupload debate sorry.

Mega.co.nz looks fine so far. No plans to restrict it.




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  Reply # 752625 29-Jan-2013 13:15 Send private message

naggyman: I think here in New Zealand would be the only place in the world where this sort of thing would happen.


This is simply not true.

Regarding others, I can see a few restrictions being placed on tools I generally use (such as SSH for transferring data back and forth between local dev and servers, and SOCKS for debugging). But I'm sure these things will be tweaked along the way, and as explained the No Cap plans are for general heavy use (eg large families/hoiseholds) and not specialised requirements such as ours.



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  Reply # 752626 29-Jan-2013 13:22 Send private message

nikrolls: Regarding others, I can see a few restrictions being placed on tools I generally use (such as SSH for transferring data back and forth between local dev and servers, and SOCKS for debugging). But I'm sure these things will be tweaked along the way, and as explained the No Cap plans are for general heavy use (eg large families/hoiseholds) and not specialised requirements such as ours.


Nailed it.

We'll be acting on feedback we go, and yes not really aimed at advanced/specialised/business use.

Obviously if you can make what we're providing work for you, go for it.

We don't have contracts either, so little risk testing the waters.




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  Reply # 752906 29-Jan-2013 20:42 Send private message

signed up thanks! question does flip have it's own hardware at the exchange?

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  Reply # 752915 29-Jan-2013 21:02 Send private message

is ftp restricted?



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  Reply # 753036 30-Jan-2013 08:45 Send private message

extremerigman: signed up thanks! question does flip have it's own hardware at the exchange?


We utilise the CallPlus LLU network in terms of hardware in exchanges.

But most importantly, we have our own core giving complete control over our service. Flip is unaffected by other ISPs on this network.




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  Reply # 753038 30-Jan-2013 08:48 Send private message

kornflake: is ftp restricted?


Really depends on what your using it for. Most uses are fine.

Can you give an example?




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  Reply # 753067 30-Jan-2013 09:21 Send private message

Still a couple of interesting ones in there - Office Live for example, I can't see many pirates paying Microsoft a monthly fee to pirate... Word documents?

Ditto for Skyfire, which is actually a web browser for use on iPhones and iPads to allow viewing Flash videos on legitimate sites like Youtube or DailyMotion.

I see Kazaa is on the list, despite being discontinued for close to ten years. Since Skype is technically and functionally very similar to Kazaa (being derived from the same codebase) has Skype been tested?

Scribd is used for sharing documents, mostly used from what I've seen for sharing court documents (transcripts, etc) and is frequently used by completely legitimate news sources (CNN, NZ Herald, etc).

Live Mesh Sync is actually part of Skydrive now, and can only be used to sync between your own computers - you can't use it to share with anyone.

If I see any more I'll let you know :)

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