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  Reply # 397763 30-Oct-2010 16:19 Send private message

Thing is with Nokia the apps have generally not come later. Its been forever and they still haven't really attracted a meaningful developer community. That might have been a decent answer when the 5800 came out, but its just a poor sentiment when the OS has been out this long (I realise this is a new version, but most of the apps are forwards compatible, so the comment still stands). Whether the devs will come to the party now remains to be seen. I don't think given the history over the last 2 years though that its sound advice to tell people asking about apps that 'they will come'.

Regards some apps being niche - thats part of the point and advantage of a large app availability isn't it? Having niche apps that let you perfectly tailor your device to your use, explain to me how that doesn't add value?

What quality apps? Geez dude, I could be here forever listing them - there are thousands. If you want to practice the ostrich theory and stick your head in the sand go ahead, but the number of quality apps dwarfs Symbian. Don't forget Symbian is where I cut my smartphone teeth. I remain a fan, but not a fanboy. Reality is what it is.

Your comment regards people choosing on features/hardware etc is irrelevant to the particular discussion as I framed it - that for some people app availability is extremely important. Clearly I'm only speaking to them. They come places like this looking for advice, and you do them a disservice if you gloss over this weakness of Symbian.

EDIT: OK, quick search at the Ovi store - some things it lacks immediately that I'd like to have on any mobile:
- Kindle/Nook/Kobo/Aldiko etc - I'd hardly call ebooks niche, and for people who have Nooks/Kindle's the ability to also have their library, replete with sync'd bookmarks available at all times is golden
- Decent RSS reader, can't find anything to match any of several good Android ones
- Social networking - OK, there is a good one, its Gravity. Its also $15. There are any number of awesome ones in Android, many free, certainly none even close to approaching that cost. They all offer various pros and cons, so users are likely to find one that fits their needs with regards to their approach to social networking
- Stuff like Grooveshark etc
- Games - seriously lacking, particularly would miss emulators for platforms like GBA and PSX1
- Many places that have dedicated Android and iPhone apps that don't appear in the Ovi store - Time, NY Times, Guardian, IMDB, Ebay, Paypal - these tend to all come to the iOS and Android platforms, this is not the case presently for Symbian
- UI replacements - there are plenty in Android, for instance I use LauncherPro to replace TouchWiz on my Galaxy S (SPB Mobile Shell was once awesome, but its got nothing on stuff like ADW Launcher and LauncherPro)
- Having trouble finding good remote desktop software
- Having trouble finding remote software for things like VLC/WMP
- Lack of alternative media players for those who need functionality not in the native player, there are many very good ones for Android

Its possible there are some of those floating around that didn't show in the Ovi store, I didn't look exhaustively. Lots on that list is hardly what you'd call niche though...




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  Reply # 397783 30-Oct-2010 17:17 Send private message

So I went into a store and played on one for 10-15 mins. It seems very nice, quite intuitive, well designed, and fast.

 

Unfortunately, they only had a green one in stock, and I want the dark grey/black one, so didn't buy it. The guy I spoke to there said they had 3 in last week, and the first two went quickly, but most people aren't too keen on the green.

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  Reply # 397787 30-Oct-2010 17:26 Send private message

Sorry if I struck a nerve there with my question regarding useful apps.

I'm not sticking my head in the sand.  I've never said that Symbian is everything to all men (or women), how ever I was saying that it was a much better platform than some reviewers were giving it credit for, and they weren't bagging it for the lack of apps.

I just said that for most people the apps thing is overhyped.  Of the apps that you thought important, not one has any importance to me or people that I know that have smart phones.  Different strokes for different folks I guess.

When I said the apps will come later what I meant is the interest in apps from the phone user comes later, in most cases apps are is not what draws them to that particular purchase in the first place.

As for misleading anyone, I don't think you can accuse me of that.  I made the the comment that it was my opinion about the apps, that is, just ones persons thoughts not necessarily what everyone would think.  You chose to offer an alternative point of view, which you are entitled to do. Please don't put me down for having a differing opinion to yourself.




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  Reply # 397812 30-Oct-2010 18:55 Send private message

Had no intention of putting you down, sorry if it read/felt that way, just wanted to be as clear as possible about the apps issue (and only directing my comments to those for whom app availability is of paramount importance, and there are quite a few people that do fall in that category).

Seriously, RSS readers, social networking, ebooks, games - nobody you know with a smartphone uses any of these? What do they do with their smartphones? I mean that with sincere curiosity too, I figured at least two of those four would be relatively core uses for anyone wielding a smartphone!




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  Reply # 397813 30-Oct-2010 18:57 Send private message

Charles000: So I went into a store and played on one for 10-15 mins. It seems very nice, quite intuitive, well designed, and fast.

 

Unfortunately, they only had a green one in stock, and I want the dark grey/black one, so didn't buy it. The guy I spoke to there said they had 3 in last week, and the first two went quickly, but most people aren't too keen on the green.


Where was that? I'm very keen to try one out, still mulling over whether it could be a secondary device for me... I too want the black one though.




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  Reply # 397827 30-Oct-2010 19:38 Send private message

NZtechfreak:

Where was that? I'm very keen to try one out, still mulling over whether it could be a secondary device for me... I too want the black one though.


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  Reply # 398130 31-Oct-2010 17:23 Send private message

Thanks for the earlier replies re buying from parallel importers or not.

I did take the chance and found a shop with the dark grey, but will be trying to return it tomorrow!

Is a great phone, but, 2 things that were relatively high on my 'glad it's got' list, were missing.

These being the FM transmitter and the predictive dialler thingie (sorry, not techie enough to know the correct name.)

The site description did state the FM transmitter so hoping that is enough to allow me to return.

I know this sounds anal but for me this was high on my list for buying this phone to play music in the car etc.

Aside from this, the play around today on the N8 confirmed I will need to own this phone! Does everything I could require and more (except for the missing things)

So, just a heads up, the differences in these devices can be more than just loaded apps etc. Just something I didn't know or think to check.

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  Reply # 398149 31-Oct-2010 18:08 Send private message

alanz:
These being the FM transmitter and the predictive dialler thingie (sorry, not techie enough to know the correct name.)

It does have an FM transmitter but the firmware for your region appears to have it disabled. You can change the firmware and you'll get it, or take it back and complain.

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  Reply # 398154 31-Oct-2010 18:26 Send private message

That would be cool.

This is proberbly a really embarassing question to ask on here, but, how do you change the firmware?

Sorry to be such an ungeek

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  Reply # 398175 31-Oct-2010 19:17 Send private message

alanz: These being the FM transmitter and the?predictive dialler thingie (sorry, not techie enough to know the correct name.)

The site description did state the FM transmitter so hoping that is enough to allow me to return.




As per above the FM Transmitter is disabled in some countries

The contact search needs to have your contacts on your handset memory to work.

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  Reply # 398185 31-Oct-2010 19:43 Send private message

If you're game, you could flash the firmware: http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n8/37898-changing-product-code-installing-other-languages.html

I'm guessing you got a chinese/hong kong version - I believe China has restrictions on FM broadcasting. The chinese version won't have the contact search either.

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  Reply # 398201 31-Oct-2010 20:28 Send private message

Thanks Brent, I copied my contacts to the phone and restarted but unfortunately still doesn't come up. Worth a try though.

I had a look at the link you supplied Charles and got lost just after "So let's get started"  !

I will try plan A in the morning and see if I get anywhere.

Appreciate the help, as you may have gathered I am pretty low down the scale of intelligence when it comes to this stuff!

On a side note, back on topic-ish, if there is anyone over Botany way that would like a hands on with this phone, please feel free to PM me. Am quite happy to give back a little in return for the help I have received.

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  Reply # 398232 31-Oct-2010 21:17 Send private message

alanz:
Appreciate the help, as you may have gathered I am pretty low down the scale of intelligence when it comes to this stuff!


I don't blame you - there's a lot of things that can go wrong. In particular those steps don't change the product code - they only update the firmware. This could mean issues if a firmware update becomes available later - It might try and install the firmware for the product, overwriting your existing firmware.

That said, I liked tinkering with firmware and ROM's on the Nexus One so I couldn't resist trying the process. I installed the New Zealand APAC firmware. The installation went hassle free and the phone seems to work fine. The FM transmitter is there and so is contact search in the phone dialer. I did lose some of the nifty movie trailer/TV stuff that was in the HK firmware but oh well.

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  Reply # 398234 31-Oct-2010 21:22 Send private message

alanz: Thanks Brent, I copied my contacts to the phone and restarted but unfortunately still doesn't come up. Worth a try though.

I had a look at the link you supplied Charles and got lost just after "So let's get started"  !

I will try plan A in the morning and see if I get anywhere.

Appreciate the help, as you may have gathered I am pretty low down the scale of intelligence when it comes to this stuff!

On a side note, back on topic-ish, if there is anyone over Botany way that would like a hands on with this phone, please feel free to PM me. Am quite happy to give back a little in return for the help I have received.


 

I used to live out that way, in the city now but still head out to visit my folks regularly. If you are unable to return it, and decide to keep it, and getting access to these functions is important to you, I'd be happy to come out one weekend and help you flash it. Obviously there are risks associated with doing this, but they're pretty small. :)



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  Reply # 398451 1-Nov-2010 11:50 Send private message

OK just had a quick play on an N8. What can I say? It's not even in the same league as the N97 - Nokia seems to have a done a great job on this new release.

The screen is naturally more responsive than the old capacitive screen.

Also, the responses are fast, kinetic scrolling is smooth and the camera launches without much delay. I will try and open up as many apps as I can and see how it performs.

The Ovi map loads and renders fast too.

Well done Nokia!

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