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Topic # 107101 7-Aug-2012 13:22 Send private message

We have a Onkyo TX-SR603 which appears to have just died. Turning it on this morning and none of the audio works on any of the speakers.

When I switch to Zone 2 and drive the outdoor speakers, it works fine. Any input on the internal speakers however gives absolutely nothing. No Dolby symbols show on the display like they usually do etc.

So it looks like it's time for a new one? I doubt this can be fixed?

 

If so, advice up to the $1500 or so mark on a good receiver/amp to buy? Want value for money ideally.

We have 5x speakers which are sony ones from our home theatre more than 10 years ago, all quite solidly built which have been going excellent so those probably won't be replaced. Two front, one centre, two rear, no side speakers.

Zone 2 is necessary. This one had a limitation where digital audio couldn't be used on Zone 2 - i imagine new ones don't have this problem these days.

Quite disappointed by the lack of listings on Heathcotes website, this is the only viable candidate. They are where we generally prefer to buy from, so we'll look in store too.
https://www.heathcotes.co.nz/products/avr2312bk-denon-7-2-integrated-network-av-surround-receiver

Computerlounge is an option too, they just have Yamaha however
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/hometheatre/componentview.asp?partid=15724

I like the idea of network DLNA streaming but its not totally necessary. Our TV lacks any sort of media playback so it would be handy to be able to play media. I don't care for iPod/Apple compatible features but they all seem to have this these days anyway.



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  Reply # 668920 7-Aug-2012 13:26 Send private message

I'm assuming you've tried...
But there's a good chance that the 'A speakers' have been turned off... have you tried pressing the button and turning them on, just in case?

In regards to the Denon, it's very nice. But frankly, you'll be able to get a better price for it from Heathcotes or Harvey's. And do be aware that the new AVR2313 will be out soon, offering dual HDMI out ports as well as pre-amps and improved network control.
Oh yeah, with most receivers, the network media control is typically only for music and photos, not movies.

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  Reply # 668942 7-Aug-2012 13:33 Send private message

Capacitors are a known issue with the Onkyo brand, though they typically result in hdmi handshaking issues, not no sound altogether.



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  Reply # 668971 7-Aug-2012 13:49 Send private message


I like the look of Onkyo's 2012 range such as this
http://www.rapalloav.co.nz/onkyo-product/onkyo-av-receivers-1/onkyo-tx-nr717-7-2-channel-network-a-v-receiver.html

http://www.rapalloav.co.nz/yamaha/av-receivers/yamaha-rx-v3-673-7-2-channel-1050-watt-av-receiver.html
looks nice also
However cheaper is more ideal, we dont even have one sub let alone two, so 7.2 is not necessary
http://www.rapalloav.co.nz/yamaha/av-receivers/yamaha-rx-v3-573-5-2-channel-805-watt-av-receiver.html
But its hard to compare these, i dont know what features im foregoing by dropping in price.

Dunnersfella: I'm assuming you've tried... 
But there's a good chance that the 'A speakers' have been turned off... have you tried pressing the button and turning them on, just in case? 

In regards to the Denon, it's very nice. But frankly, you'll be able to get a better price for it from Heathcotes or Harvey's. And do be aware that the new AVR2313 will be out soon, offering dual HDMI out ports as well as pre-amps and improved network control. 
Oh yeah, with most receivers, the network media control is typically only for music and photos, not movies.

Hmmm, i don't know of any options to turn the speakers off on this? 

Dual HDMI sounds handy for the TV upstairs which currently is running a component cable to the MySKY. But i'm guessing you need the same input going to both devices, so you couldnt watch sky upstairs and something else downstairs.

That's disappointing that the network feature has no video. Is this the case with all of them? Ah well.

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  Reply # 669083 7-Aug-2012 15:28 Send private message

eXDee: We have a Onkyo TX-SR603 which appears to have just died. Turning it on this morning and none of the audio works on any of the speakers.

When I switch to Zone 2 and drive the outdoor speakers, it works fine. Any input on the internal speakers however gives absolutely nothing. No Dolby symbols show on the display like they usually do etc.

So it looks like it's time for a new one? I doubt this can be fixed?



I had a very similar problem with a 608 (if my mum is reading it right).  If I remember correctly analog input audio would work on zone 2 (digital doesn't work on zone 2 at all anyway), but nothing would work on the main zone.  The video stuff was still all working.

It wasn't much more than a year old so I took it back to Norman Ross and they sent it off to be fixed.  First time back it worked for a bit then just started making loud digital like noise before stopping again.  So back it went and it has been working fine since, other than some times it likes to turn Pure Audio mode on when you turn the unit on or some times when you are trying to turn the unit off.  Shame as I was quite liking the idea of getting a new one with network control, airplay etc :-).



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  Reply # 669119 7-Aug-2012 16:21 Send private message

Zone 2 is typically devoid of any digital processing. It catches a few out as often it works via analogue inputs only...

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  Reply # 669124 7-Aug-2012 16:34 Send private message

perhaps don't buy onkyo as your next purchase?




Apologies for poor typing standards when on Samsung S4 [swype's fault]/iPad 2 Wifi[too slow to use!]



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  Reply # 669135 7-Aug-2012 16:53 Send private message

Disappointing if there's no DAC on zone 2 on any units.
Anything in particular I should be looking for? Any suggested models? Brands? Denon, pioneer, onkyo, yamaha.
I know back a few years ago some receivers didn't use the audio from hdmi, only passed it through. There were also some which didn't do HD audio or something.

This receiver has lasted a long time so no gripes with onkyo.

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  Reply # 669148 7-Aug-2012 17:10 Send private message

Most network amps will now send network audio + Airplay to zone two.
However, they won't convert coax, optical or HDMI inputs.

The lay of the land to my eyes is...

Denon : Great sound with very good amplification at the price point you're considering. I think they've been quite tricky to drive compared to a few other models. However the limited play I've had with the 2012 models makes them A LOT different, and a lot better to use.

Pioneer : Big fat 'meh'. Quite finicky to use (when you go into the menus it will mute the audio and there's no overlay over the video. Being able to plug an iPad in the front is nice on some models... but, seeing as a lot of things are network based now... it's not a biggee for me. Sonically, they're good at the 3k - 5k level, below that I'd describe them as 'toppy / bright'.

Marantz : Owned by the same company as Denon... the similarities are striking.
However they cost quite a bit more than Denon - which hardly makes them a compelling prospect. Some old models sitting around in stores, I think it may be because they're a less popular sell though?

Onkyo : A previously well thought of brand that normally offers more connectivity / bells and whistles... but doesn't always live up to the promises in the long run. Known for over heating and HDMI issues in the past, this brand has been smashed down in price by the importer (via Trademe) and in-stores by JB Hifi. Resell value is very low as a result.

Yamaha : Possibly the Toyota Carolla of amplifiers. Neutral sonically, but with great ease of us, great connectivity, and now the 2012 receivers feature Airplay, the networking specs are up to the same level as everyone else. The RXV673 would make for a good amp - try taking a listen to one, it could be my pick in the market.

Oh yeah, all amps do HDMI audio as well as everything you'll want in regards to HD audio formats.
Make sure you run with a receiver that features discrete amplification (even amounts of power to every channel), has the connectivity you need today, and may need in the immediate future. And most importantly, sounds GOOD!

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  Reply # 669166 7-Aug-2012 17:34 Send private message

Harvey Norman have a Marantz amplifier for a good price , may not have enough features but still a good buy

http://www.harveynorman.co.nz/marantz-5.1-channel-av-receiver.html

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  Reply # 669179 7-Aug-2012 17:54 Send private message

The Marantz you've linked to won't work for the OP though... as they require a 2 zone capable amp.
The 50W (and it won't achieve 70% of that under duress) Marantz is really aimed at satellite speakers / people who are lacking in space.



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  Reply # 669248 7-Aug-2012 20:16 Send private message

Denon sounds like it could be a go then?
I'm going to take a stab that a 3 at the end of the model number is a current gen model, and a 2 is a previous gen one, hence your mention of the 2313 coming out?
Aside from losing a sub channel, what else do i lose from dropping to the 2113?
http://www.harveynorman.co.nz/denon-7.1-channel-network-av-receiver-en.html

Yamaha sounds good too. Hmmm will have to take a look around.

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  Reply # 669262 7-Aug-2012 20:28 Send private message

A little bit of power, but not much else.
The 2113 could be a go'er, take a listen and if you like what you hear (and make sure you have a go on the remote to check out if it's what you want ease of use wise...) - go for it.



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  Reply # 669267 7-Aug-2012 20:34 Send private message

Just noticed the 2113 according to Denon USA site only has 1 component, a few composite, one optical and one coaxial. That's only just sufficient but a bit disappointing really....

2313 at $1800 odd according to one seller on pricespy is too much. Would you say the 2312 released last year is
difficult to use?

Thoughts on Yamaha? The Yamaha RX-V673 looks pretty good on paper?

edit: goddamn these are cheap in the USA. Even with $200 shipping, a reseller through amazon can land one here for $980 - $400+ less than what you get it for here =/

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  Reply # 669329 7-Aug-2012 22:15 Send private message

Denon have very few analogue connections on the back as they think people don't really need them any more... well, compared to HDMI anyway.
The 2312 certainly has more in the way of connectivity, and usability isn't horrendous, but the GUI is a bit of a drama compared to the likes of the Yamaha RXV673.
For your overseas comparison, don't forget to factor in a step down convertor so the US receiver will work with NZ's power, a lack of warranty support, as well as a potential discount from a NZ retailer.
Of course, if you're good with that, you could give it a go?



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  Reply # 669342 7-Aug-2012 22:34 Send private message

Nah international purchase is out for those reasons. Unless it was half the price, so then if it died, buying a new one wouldn't be as much of a problem (end up paying the same amount as in NZ).

I'm thinking the Yamaha looks like a winner here, especially being newer than last years denon 2312, it has just as many connectivity options.

The only complaint i can find about it is Yamaha removed pandora.

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