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  Reply # 111087 17-Feb-2008 08:17 Send private message quote this post

cyril7: Signet make a pair of ears that carry a 1U patch panel, you may need to drill some holes in the rear of the box to mount it. It ends up that the patch panel sits at an angle, this is fine the patch leads will fit in fine with that arrangement.


Cool, will see if I can get those from Corys. Thanks for that.


The filter linked above is the one you want, there is only one, and thats its. Mastertrade, Coreys, Russels etc have them, you dont need an account with any of them but they will charge full price over the counter (around $70) trade is around $45-50.


Ahhh didnt realise they were all the same. So the Acquire one looks a good deal :) Plus our local Corys charges and Arm and a Leg for all things.
There is no real such thing as a splitter, there is simply a filter that all pots devices must connect via, the ADSL modem connects directly to the inbound line. When you get a splitter with a BT phone outlet and RJ11 modem outlet, the BT is via the filter, the RJ11 is infact just the input line.

I recommend that you mount a BT 2Wire socket in the Signet box, the inbound line wires to that, also wire to that the filter, and the output of filter wires to the phone distribution panel or alternatevly directly to 2or3 spare jacks on the patch panel and forget the phone distribution panel.

Cyril


Hmmm I'll try and deicpher what you have said and see how I go. Do you have a photo for a non expert like me :)

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  Reply # 111092 17-Feb-2008 08:37 Send private message quote this post

I take it you intend to use the phone distribution panel and there are dedicated phone runs to the kitchen and office? or do you intend to allow any RJ45 in the house to have access to either phone or ethernet (or both).

Cyril

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  Reply # 111093 17-Feb-2008 08:42 Send private message quote this post

cyril7: I take it you intend to use the phone distribution panel and there are dedicated phone runs to the kitchen and office? or do you intend to allow any RJ45 in the house to have access to either phone or ethernet (or both).

Cyril


Yea, have got two phone lines coming into the Dist. Panel, and then distributed to 8 ports on my Patch Panel. Then as needed patch them across as needed to any RJ45 port. Since I have two Cat5e runs connecting the two "aggregation points", yea potentially any RJ45 port in any room can be a phone.

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  Reply # 111098 17-Feb-2008 08:58 Send private message quote this post

Right, at the Signet box with the ADSL modem in it, I recommend that the inbound line terminates on a BT 2Wire socket this does two things, gives you a direct line to attache the modem to, and gives you somewhere to wire the master filter/splitter to, the output of which feeds those 8 distribution jacks on the patch field.

To connect your ADSL modem just use a BT to RJ11 cable (wired for modem use, ie pins 2/5 of BT go to centre pair of RJ11) and plug that into the BT socket. A point to keep in mind is that the biggest point of DSL degredation in a typical home setup is the line cord as this is not a twisted pair and can result in issues. Therefore keep this a short as possible, you should only need a 500mm long one in a flush box fittout, so if you can only get 2meter long ones then cut it down and reterminate a new RJ11 onto it.

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  Reply # 111103 17-Feb-2008 09:27 Send private message quote this post

thekiwi:
cyril7: I take it you intend to use the phone distribution panel and there are dedicated phone runs to the kitchen and office? or do you intend to allow any RJ45 in the house to have access to either phone or ethernet (or both).

Cyril




Yea, have got two phone lines coming into the Dist. Panel, and then distributed to 8 ports on my Patch Panel. Then as needed patch them across as needed to any RJ45 port. Since I have two Cat5e runs connecting the two "aggregation points", yea potentially any RJ45 port in any room can be a phone.


If you didn't buy the whole Signet box as a kit you may not have received any of their 110 <-> RJ45 patch leads. These just clip onto the 110 punchdowns on the telephone module and clip straight into your patch panel. They are available as a spare part if you need to buy them.

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  Reply # 111104 17-Feb-2008 09:29 Send private message quote this post

sbiddle:
thekiwi:
cyril7: I take it you intend to use the phone distribution panel and there are dedicated phone runs to the kitchen and office? or do you intend to allow any RJ45 in the house to have access to either phone or ethernet (or both).

Cyril




Yea, have got two phone lines coming into the Dist. Panel, and then distributed to 8 ports on my Patch Panel. Then as needed patch them across as needed to any RJ45 port. Since I have two Cat5e runs connecting the two "aggregation points", yea potentially any RJ45 port in any room can be a phone.


If you didn't buy the whole Signet box as a kit you may not have received any of their 110 <-> RJ45 patch leads. These just clip onto the 110 punchdowns on the telephone module and clip straight into your patch panel. They are available as a spare part if you need to buy them.

Yea just bought the box and the Phone Module. Made my own Patch leads which seem to work OK and punched with my own punchdown tool.

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  Reply # 111108 17-Feb-2008 09:42 Send private message quote this post

Sounds like you have it sorted using the phone module with patch lines from the 110 IDCs great. My suggestion simply gives the best way of integrating the DSL filter into it. Pity none of the phone modules that any of the home hub providers have include integration for a DSL filter within the module.

I see Aquila tech have the filter for $58 +gst which is not bad in the absence of a trade account.

Cyril

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  Reply # 111451 18-Feb-2008 19:54 Send private message quote this post

Jax: Check this link:
www.telepermit.co.nz/Ptc106.pdf

I found this document to be very useful.



Ha.   Good laugh on the last page.  Can't beleive they put that in a COP.

~Snaff

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  Reply # 112851 25-Feb-2008 10:26 Send private message quote this post

cyril7: Right, at the Signet box with the ADSL modem in it, I recommend that the inbound line terminates on a BT 2Wire socket this does two things, gives you a direct line to attache the modem to, and gives you somewhere to wire the master filter/splitter to, the output of which feeds those 8 distribution jacks on the patch field.

To connect your ADSL modem just use a BT to RJ11 cable (wired for modem use, ie pins 2/5 of BT go to centre pair of RJ11) and plug that into the BT socket. A point to keep in mind is that the biggest point of DSL degredation in a typical home setup is the line cord as this is not a twisted pair and can result in issues. Therefore keep this a short as possible, you should only need a 500mm long one in a flush box fittout, so if you can only get 2meter long ones then cut it down and reterminate a new RJ11 onto it.

Cyril




Hi Cyril



Can I just clarify this bit on the ADSL filter.

The two incoming lines go straight to the BT plug (I presume this cause there should be nothing between the incoming line and the ADSL plug)

The Orange/White wires on the Splitter/Filter go to the BT Plug as well.

THe Blue/White pairs go to my Signet Phone Dist panel as per normal for home phone lines.



Is there reference material on the BT Socket side (always keen to learn more). re: connecting basically 4 cables into it (eg 2 in and 2 out?). Sorry if that sounds a NOOB question ... cause it is :)

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  Reply # 112858 25-Feb-2008 10:49 Send private message quote this post

Hi, yes it sounds like you have things right.

You must use a BT 2Wire socket (by law it will have the number 2 on the face) dont use an old 3wire master or slave (with M or S on face) for the following reason.

Older 3Wire M & S sockets have two IDC strip headers in them, each with 3 wire slots, each of these wire slots connect to one of the 6wires of the actual BT socket. Normally postions 2&5 are the line, 3 is the bell wire.

A 2Wire BT socket also has two IDC strip headers, each IDC strip has all its wire positions connected together and to either pin 2 or 5 (ie the line) of the socket. Hence you can treat all the wire positions in each header as in parrallel or one leg or other of the line.

So connect the inbound to the BT one leg of the line to a slot on one header, and the other leg to a slot on the other header. Now connect the Orange pair (Line) of the filter to the BT socket (each leg to a different header). The Blue pair (Phone) from the filter goes to the Blue IDC header on the distribution board.

Plug your DSL modem into the BT socket prefereabley with as short a BT to RJ11 line cord as you can get.

Cyril




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