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Topic # 103360 5-Jun-2012 19:46 Send private message

I'm connected to a Telecom Whisper cabinet in a EUBA area according to the coverage maps.

1) How can i find out if i'm on EUBA? Yet to call up telecom, but i hear its not information that's easily obtainable by the helpdesk? Is this true or not?
2) I cannot auth with PPPoE on VLAN 10. I'm unsure if this is because i'm possibly not on EUBA, or because telecom simply does not support this.



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  Reply # 636321 5-Jun-2012 20:31 Send private message

Most ISP's don't automatically support VLAN10/EUBA since it requires a different CVID to be configured for the customer. There are two CVID's per customer, one for EUBA/VLAN10 and another for the legacy PPPoA fallback.






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  Reply # 636329 5-Jun-2012 20:38 Send private message

Telecom can easily tell if you are on EUBA or BUBA.
Or FIPD.
I donot understand why you would want to know about VLANs and PPPoE because those configurations are determined by Telecom or for any ISP.

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  Reply # 636334 5-Jun-2012 20:40 Send private message

Pretty sure Telecom doesn't offer VLAN 10 tagging on any of our residential ADSL services. Happy to be corrected on this if I am wrong.

What are you looking to do that your current PPPoA session isn't giving you?




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  Reply # 636335 5-Jun-2012 20:43 Send private message

lxsa: Telecom can easily tell if you are on EUBA or BUBA.
Or FIPD.
I donot understand why you would want to know about VLANs and PPPoE because those configurations are determined by Telecom or for any ISP.


Using PPPoE natively is something many people want to do, it saves using PPPoA in the modem which is merely converted to PPPoE by the ISAM anyway. By setting VLAN10 you're merely replicating the VDSL2 setup.

VLAN10 is also necessary for ADSL2+ EUBA services with a CIR.





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  Reply # 636370 5-Jun-2012 21:46 Send private message

sbiddle: Most ISP's don't automatically support VLAN10/EUBA since it requires a different CVID to be configured for the customer. There are two CVID's per customer, one for EUBA/VLAN10 and another for the legacy PPPoA fallback.


Ah. This explains it. Seen people with success on Snap and Orcon so far (on telecomwholesale equipment, not LLU). Was hoping telecom was the same

sbiddle:
lxsa: Telecom can easily tell if you are on EUBA or BUBA. 
Or FIPD. 
I donot understand why you would want to know about VLANs and PPPoE because those configurations are determined by Telecom or for any ISP.
 

Using PPPoE natively is something many people want to do, it saves using PPPoA in the modem which is merely converted to PPPoE by the ISAM anyway. By setting VLAN10 you're merely replicating the VDSL2 setup. 


This. I want my router to manage PPP auth as its a cleaner setup than the modem PPPoA half bridging, plus it means my modem does even less work which is nice because its weak in comparison to the routers processing power.

Ah well, its not totally necessary but it would have been nice.

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  Reply # 636392 5-Jun-2012 22:05 Send private message

Draytek Vigor 120 will sort you out nicely and do everything you need.




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  Reply # 636410 5-Jun-2012 22:23 Send private message

I know this, its a great device, but when my RTA1320V6 was free and the vigor is ~$100, its a bit of an easy choice heh :P

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  Reply # 636455 6-Jun-2012 06:10 Send private message

eXDee:
sbiddle: Most ISP's don't automatically support VLAN10/EUBA since it requires a different CVID to be configured for the customer. There are two CVID's per customer, one for EUBA/VLAN10 and another for the legacy PPPoA fallback.


Ah. This explains it. Seen people with success on Snap and Orcon so far (on telecomwholesale equipment, not LLU). Was hoping telecom was the same

sbiddle:
lxsa: Telecom can easily tell if you are on EUBA or BUBA.?
Or FIPD.?
I donot understand why you would want to know about VLANs and PPPoE because those configurations are determined by Telecom or for any ISP.
?

Using PPPoE natively is something many people want to do, it saves using PPPoA in the modem which is merely converted to PPPoE by the ISAM anyway. By setting VLAN10 you're merely replicating the VDSL2 setup.?


This. I want my router to manage PPP auth as its a cleaner setup than the modem PPPoA half bridging, plus it means my modem does even less work which is nice because its weak in comparison to the routers processing power.

Ah well, its not totally necessary but it would have been nice.


I agree with what you are trying to do, but what I am saying is that your ISP determines what variant of configuration you get based on their product set, they will not accept any deviation from that configuration.
Example
Telecom does the following:
BBA - EUBA - PPPoA - 0/100 ------ DSLAM converts to PPPoE/DHCP
BBA - BUBA - PPPoA - 0/100 ------ LNS+AAA converts to PPPoE/DHCP

There used to be a variant(Telecom doesnt use this
Anymore) which was.
EUBA - using VLAN 10 - PPPoA - 0/110 - direct DHCP.... Some ISP still use this EUBA variant for their Broadband offering.


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  Reply # 636478 6-Jun-2012 08:56 Send private message

eXDee: I know this, its a great device, but when my RTA1320V6 was free and the vigor is ~$100, its a bit of an easy choice heh :P


So.... You're just being cheap then :)

There are very few routers out there that support VLAN10 tagging and I should know as I have been personally been playing with them recently.  So to me it's "does it already work, and if you have a business need for something else then lets talk".. If you're too cheap to get a $100 router to sort your problem out then........




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