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  Reply # 641850 16-Jun-2012 16:43 Send private message

I'm not quite sure I understand this situation.

CDMA is the old network smartphones do not use.  If it goes down, does it mean my good old Nokia 1100 with 2degrees SIM will only be good for throwing at people?

Its been so loyal to me.  And I don't want to spend another $100 on a phone that can call, text and check facebook, rather than just call and text.  Plus, you can't drop them from 11 story buildings on to concrete and make a call after you have put them back together!

EDIT: I think I just cleared this up for myself.  Anything with a SIM will still work.





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  Reply # 641964 16-Jun-2012 22:46 Send private message

I know a large number of rural users who simply still use their CDMA phone for the better coverage - there might be a room in their house where they get perfect coverage, but to get XT coverage or vodafone, they have to drive 1km up the driveway to the road and stand on one leg, whilst patting their head and rubbing their belly in a circular motion with the phone pressed against their ear by their shoulder.

CDMA for these people is just easier.




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  Reply # 641968 16-Jun-2012 23:07 Send private message

It probably is, but I would hazard a guess these people are in the minority.

There are a lot of places in NZ that simply shouldn't get any coverage, but by the sheer nature of the geography (or plain old luck) they do. So, any coverage in these places is sheer luck and can't be guaranteed to continue on a new network. John if I have anything wrong here please feel free to correct me :)

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  Reply # 642022 17-Jun-2012 10:33 Send private message

DravidDavid: I'm not quite sure I understand this situation.

CDMA is the old network smartphones do not use.  If it goes down, does it mean my good old Nokia 1100 with 2degrees SIM will only be good for throwing at people?


2 degree's uses GSM/UMTS, not CDMA. If you have a CDMA (only) phone, it will only work on Telecoms CDMA network, not 2ds/xt/vodafone


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  Reply # 642024 17-Jun-2012 10:45 Send private message

raytaylor: I know a large number of rural users who simply still use their CDMA phone for the better coverage - there might be a room in their house where they get perfect coverage, but to get XT coverage or vodafone, they have to drive 1km up the driveway to the road and stand on one leg, whilst patting their head and rubbing their belly in a circular motion with the phone pressed against their ear by their shoulder.

CDMA for these people is just easier.


A lot of that also has to do with the phone they are using too especially in marginal areas.. Which people may not realise.

For example in a marginal XT and Vodafone area I get no coverage with a HTC Smartphone or iPhone or some model Data Sticks that don't have an external aerial but 2-3 bars and can sustain a reasonable data session (200k/s or so) with a Nokia. I know this since it's a place I've been on holiday for the last two years and I take my "old dumb phone" and teather it when I need data.  Plus I take my Sierra Wireless card with an external aerial rather than using my laptops built in datacard.






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  Reply # 642036 17-Jun-2012 11:06 Send private message

DravidDavid: I'm not quite sure I understand this situation.

CDMA is the old network smartphones do not use.  If it goes down, does it mean my good old Nokia 1100 with 2degrees SIM will only be good for throwing at people?

Its been so loyal to me.  And I don't want to spend another $100 on a phone that can call, text and check facebook, rather than just call and text.  Plus, you can't drop them from 11 story buildings on to concrete and make a call after you have put them back together!

EDIT: I think I just cleared this up for myself.  Anything with a SIM will still work.


Vodafone and 2degrees are GSM (2G) and WCDMA (3G) networks. Telecom XT is a WCDMA network (3G).

WCDMA *is not the same* as CDMA. In all cases, why Telecom shutting down an old network would impact your usage of 2degrees, a completely different provider?






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  Reply # 642043 17-Jun-2012 11:36 Send private message

freitasm:
WCDMA *is not the same* as CDMA. In all cases, why Telecom shutting down an old network would impact your usage of 2degrees, a completely different provider?

I didn't fully understand the situation.  I assumed that because everyone but Telecom pretty much re-sells telecoms stuff that maybe my service with 2degrees would be impacted, since I have an old "dumb phone" not a fancy smart phone.

I worked it out 2 minutes after I posted.  I'm not an expert on this stuff.





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  Reply # 642053 17-Jun-2012 12:08 Send private message

richms: Made some calls on mine tonight. No warning of shutoff, just that I have less than $10 on it.


Just pulled my old CDMA fone out of the draw and this time there was no message  played before the call like there has been in the past..  I remember for a couple of months before the AMPS network was closed we also go a message..  Still have that old Motorola Startac..




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  Reply # 642057 17-Jun-2012 12:15 Send private message

DravidDavid: 
I didn't fully understand the situation.  I assumed that because everyone but Telecom pretty much re-sells telecoms stuff that maybe my service with 2degrees would be impacted, since I have an old "dumb phone" not a fancy smart phone.

I worked it out 2 minutes after I posted.  I'm not an expert on this stuff.


Uh, both vodafone and 2degree's have their own towers and sell their own service over them. (2ds roam onto vodafone outside the main centres where 2ds don't have their own towers)


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  Reply # 646826 27-Jun-2012 09:07 Send private message

According to the bastion of stellar reporting that is Stuff, Telecom "may need to cease" the CDMA shutdown.

:P

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  Reply # 646863 27-Jun-2012 10:16 Send private message

Behodar: According to the bastion of stellar reporting that is Stuff, Telecom "may need to cease" the CDMA shutdown.

:P


 CDMA shutdown aside that is interesting.  Does Telecom have a Department of Puckering?

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  Reply # 647026 27-Jun-2012 14:32 Send private message

NBR has a better article :)

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  Reply # 647273 27-Jun-2012 22:21 Send private message

How does one go about shutting down a network? Is their a big switch somewhere? If so, and someone from Telecom is reading this.....can I do it? PLEEEEEEEEASE????

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  Reply # 647398 28-Jun-2012 09:00 Send private message

nickd: How does one go about shutting down a network? Is their a big switch somewhere? If so, and someone from Telecom is reading this.....can I do it? PLEEEEEEEEASE????


Basically  the big switch.  Turn off the CDMA radios like they did when AMPS was shut down..  When Telstra AU shut down their CDMA network they also cut the cables  so that it it couldn't be turn on again if the politions demanded it..




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  Reply # 647429 28-Jun-2012 09:40 Send private message

1. Put high voltage accross the CDMA control cards :)
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2. Get johnr to do it (opps I think that was the XT network I just killed)




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