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  Reply # 334776 25-May-2010 21:26 Send private message

ok, all of you guys that are proposing a 25 to 30 gig data cap?

how much were you actually using on big time ?

if you were using under that why don't you get one of the existing plans which have up to a 40 gig data cap already...
Instead of proposing they make a lesser data cap than is there already on the existing plans ?

If you were using more than 25 to 30 gig then we need bigger data caps..

Your idea of being cut down to 256/256 is getting back to being unlimited again..
When they throttle you its going to be dial up speed :-(

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  Reply # 334777 25-May-2010 21:26 Send private message

DravidDavid: BigTime is a dead duck. This has been established.

Unfortunatly, any plan Telecom makes won't suit everyone. However, Telecom can use our input to formulate a BigTime replacement. If a family or a flat requires high speed broadband with data to spare, Telecom probably won't be the best answer you will get in the near future unless their replacement is nearly as good as BigTime was.


This is true .


But Telecom making some different style plans * not just the usual 3 , 10 , 20 , 40 gb bs, would earn them some brownie points.

* To target different types of internet users.






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  Reply # 334778 25-May-2010 21:31 Send private message

cafeg: ok, all of you guys that are proposing a 25 to 30 gig data cap?

how much were you actually using on big time ?

if you were using under that why don't you get one of the existing plans which have up to a 40 gig data cap already...
Instead of proposing they make a lesser data cap than is there already on the existing plans ?

If you were using more than 25 to 30 gig then we need bigger data caps..

Your idea of being cut down to 256/256 is getting back to being unlimited again..
When they throttle you its going to be dial up speed :-(



I very much doubt the mass downloading leechers are going to be interested in 256kbps download speed.








Intention of 25 gb is for the main downloading & monthly useage.

Intention of 256k throttle , is to keep webpage loading, games & simple net useage,  do able.





You dont have to agree with my views / hopes. But being throttled to 64kbps is defeating the purpose of "broadband".

Cant do anything with that.


*My opinion*

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  Reply # 334781 25-May-2010 21:43 Send private message


I very much doubt the mass downloading leechers are going to be interested in 256kbps download speed.
Intention of 25 gb is for the main downloading & monthly useage.

Intention of 256k throttle , is to keep webpage loading, games & simple net useage do able.


The leechers are going to take whatever they can get and anything that smacks of unlimited they will take and download 24/7.
You can do a hell of a lot with a 256k throttle especially if its both ways and it is unlimited.


You dont have to agree with my views / hopes. But being throttled to 64kbps is defeating the purpose of "broadband".
Cant do anything with that.


Yes, I agree with you completely on that. 64k or dialup is hopeless, thats why they always throttle you to that.
so you cant do unlimited..



*My opinion*



Yep, fair enough..

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  Reply # 334793 25-May-2010 22:09 Send private message

I have been with a few ISP's over the years (And worked for them) and I'm also one of the ones quoted in the article about the closure of big time.
This topic is about a plan suggestion for telecom, there are alot.
As opposed to totally restructuring Telecom's pricing plans this is a simple thing.
Big time out priced anything on the market. You could download and do what you wanted to do, but that was not sustainable.
We need to replace big time, BUT with a realistic cap before you are sent back to dial up speed or buy more gig's.
Make it too large you attact the "big eaters", too small, it means nothing.
I think for a replacement plan telecom are stuffed just because they offered more on BT than any plan did baring the traffic management.
Personally I'd LOVE to see something around the 80-120 gig FS/FS for $70-100 thats traffic managed or the data cap on top where you buy at 2c per gig to top up.

40 gig does not do it with working from home, 4 kids, MSDN downloads, and HD content.

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  Reply # 334817 25-May-2010 22:41 Send private message

I think there just needs to be bigger caps or a "pay for what you use" in MB/GB blocks.. Xnet is $1.02/GB.. Telecoms $2/GB is ok, although expensive depending on how much you use..

Also changing the "gone over your cap" throttle from 64k to 128 or 256kbit..

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  Reply # 334825 25-May-2010 22:55 Send private message

kyhwana2: I think there just needs to be bigger caps or a "pay for what you use" in MB/GB blocks.. Xnet is $1.02/GB.. Telecoms $2/GB is ok, although expensive depending on how much you use..



Better have a credit limit then, because you don't want any of those heay downloaders later complaining of bill shock on Campbell live...





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  Reply # 334827 25-May-2010 22:56 Send private message

Sure, I prefer 2Mbit too, I only surf and email. Seldom download prob just a AVAST update or a Hijackthis download or Adobe Reader download, haha. 1.8Mbit 3yr ago I could stream Youtube no problems.

Now I get 5-6Mbit, 15m from Telephone Exchange no reasons getting ADSL2+.

I read that ISPs cannot downgrade the speed due to the Commerce Commission now they say up to ... Well I am not sure why they cannot say up to 2Mbit, up to 5Mbit and up to FS.

I agree that if you need 24-30 get just a 20 or 40GB or get a 20GB + overage.
I spat out a 20-40GB with a 75GB offpeak like Optus as a plan if Telecom may consider a BT replacement. Who knows ....

If they do have the above I think they need to re-evaluate Pro Plan's price and the GB or maybe put out a Elite Pro Plan as well .....

But now they got rid of BT on their website, it appears to me its synced as of now. They put a 20GB plan for $60 and that sorta aligns with the Pro Plan and their $50 10GB. See what happens .. They just exited out of that BT market as I can see now it is low GB pay as you go.  Grumble grumble ...

Cheers....

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  Reply # 334836 25-May-2010 23:11 Send private message

So you are saying the commerce commission has said Telecom can only provide broadband plans that are capable of a full line speed?

That is down-right stupid if that is true. Capped plans should still exist at full speed. But giving the customer the choice between more speed and less data or more data and less speed would be much more attractive.

I think Tel69 is right. No matter what 99% of us are just going to be disappointed at whatever Telecom come up with (if anything at all) because it won't be close to being as good as BigTime was as far as "bang for your buck"





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  Reply # 334837 25-May-2010 23:12 Send private message

The more I think about Telecom will just let this one go quiet and void.

If they get away from the fair users policy issue. You are apples vs apples. You get FS/128 or FS/FS.

40GB replacement plan which might or might not have some offpeak data included might cost $60. A std 40GB without offpeak might cost $10 less - $50. That's too cheap.

A std 40GB plan prob be $80 isn't it. Therefore the replacement becomes slightly perhaps $90. People are gonna complain Telecom is ripping us off, we used to pay $60 for unlimited and now they wanna charge us $90 and it's limited.


IMHO, I think this would most likely be a gap unfilled.
Unless Telecom can convince people to pay $90 now ......


The 256k sure, I think overtime maybe they become at a min 256k upstream maybe downstream too when limited - when you gone over. I don't think they will give a selection of the people 256k when limited but give others 128k. Esp when the others are not less incentive package. Ie. the pro pack or the low users pack where they may be paying more dollars per unit.

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  Reply # 334838 25-May-2010 23:14 Send private message

DravidDavid: So you are saying the commerce commission has said Telecom can only provide broadband plans that are capable of a full line speed?

That is down-right stupid if that is true. Capped plans should still exist at full speed. But giving the customer the choice between more speed and less data or more data and less speed would be much more attractive.

I think Tel69 is right. No matter what 99% of us are just going to be disappointed at whatever Telecom come up with (if anything at all) because it won't be close to being as good as BigTime was as far as "bang for your buck"


I dunno, that is what someone said to me on this thread.  Well I do recall ISP used to advertise 7.6Mbit but now they just say FS.

They cannot tell you what speed you get from the advertising cos they cannot gaurantee it.  Therefore they now just say up to FS.  So they cannot charge one group less for say 2Mbit and another group 5Mbit and the other 24Mbit.  Maybe that is why we now see FS/128 or FS/FS only ....

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  Reply # 334842 25-May-2010 23:28 Send private message

They are not going to re-launch their entire plan line-up just to accommodate ex-Big Time users when they already have 57% of the market share with their existing plans.

Be realistic, if ISP's in NZ could afford to offer plans at under $1/GB they would already be doing so to build market share, because as you are all saying, you would jump at those plans.

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  Reply # 334844 25-May-2010 23:30 Send private message

rayonline:

I dunno, that is what someone said to me on this thread.  Well I do recall ISP used to advertise 7.6Mbit but now they just say FS.

They cannot tell you what speed you get from the advertising cos they cannot gaurantee it.  Therefore they now just say up to FS.  So they cannot charge one group less for say 2Mbit and another group 5Mbit and the other 24Mbit.  Maybe that is why we now see FS/128 or FS/FS only ....


Thats Telecom covering their arse, which is understandable as speed varies from place to place.  I thought you were saying that ISPs were not allowed to sell plans that are artificially capped at all.  As in the line must be full speed.  But I see what you mean now.

In the united states (even ISPs that cap you) offer differed download rates.  You pay for the line, not what you download.  I'm not suggesting unlimited like they have there.  But pricing schemes similar to theirs.  For example:  Keep the cap the same and increase the line rate and cut costs that way.  More data for families that don't need speed and more speed for the gamers that need a solid full speed connection with data being a non issue.

Cymro: They are not going to re-launch their entire plan line-up just to accommodate ex-Big Time users when they already have 57% of the market share with their existing plans.

Be realistic, if ISP's in NZ could afford to offer plans at under $1/GB they would already be doing so to build market share, because as you are all saying, you would jump at those plans.


They might not re-launch their entire plan line up but maybe BigTime's falling will make them rething something.  They managed to remove BigTime fast enough, I don't see why they can't add a few more plans with time.  BigTime's death hit many in their downloading soft spots.  I would hope Telecom decide to replace it with something suitable for "downloaders" or "family folk" or both.





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  Reply # 334875 26-May-2010 06:37 Send private message

This thread is about Plan suggestion and I think we are getting away from that, abit off topic in places.

Simply put, this is how it goes for me.

We are a family of 6, 5 of us are heavy internet users to the point that Internet has taken over the TV/mail/Phone as the main source of entertainment/News/Video/Communications in the household. But as with many households we need to watch our pennies.

After sitting down with the wife etc, we are happy to stay with Telecom, BUT only if Telecom provides a suitable plan that is going to cater for the usage we have. Simply put 40Gb doesn't come close, but $100pm plus for internet is not suitable.

So 80-100Gb at unthrottled FS/FS with 2 options: $2 per Gb overuse or 64K option, Selectable in YourTelecom site. All for around $99 per month.




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  Reply # 335107 26-May-2010 16:05 Send private message

I think there is only one way telecom can keep us and thats by matching either Orcon or Snap's plans, 100GB FS/FS 130 ish a month any less we'll definitely stay (plus ofpeak 50GB free :D and data banking Tongue outlolol)
The only reason we came to Tcom was because of Bigtime so its going to be an interesting predicament considering we managed to use 40GB in 10 days were certainly in for a shock on a capped plan :/

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