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Topic # 107011 4-Aug-2012 23:20 Send private message

With VoIP becoming the main telephone service in New Zealand, you'd think that phone manufacturers would start making VoIP phones that have Ethernet cable plugs that you plug into your home's structured cabling system back into your router, removing the need for an ata, or am i missing something? 

I mean you'd have to put your username, password, VoIP number and VoIP server into the phones themselves instead of just on the ata, but that seems like a better system in my opinion...

or even phones that just connected to your WiFi network...

if no one's thought of this before though, copyright Hamish 2012 hahahahahahahahaha













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  Reply # 667661 5-Aug-2012 01:40 Send private message

I've been looking at getting an android handset and connecting to to the VioP provider via Wifi.

I think there are phones that can do what you describe, but an Android solution looks the cheaper.

Getting a Nexus 7 for VoiP calls might be another + in the thoughts of getting one of these 7" tablets.

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  Reply # 667663 5-Aug-2012 02:48 Send private message

hellonearthisman: I've been looking at getting an android handset and connecting to to the VioP provider via Wifi.

I think there are phones that can do what you describe, but an Android solution looks the cheaper.

Getting a Nexus 7 for VoiP calls might be another + in the thoughts of getting one of these 7" tablets.


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  Reply # 667664 5-Aug-2012 04:03 Send private message

In Japan where I live voip has become the dominant phone system - replacing pots.
Almost without exception the voip function is built into the onu (provided by the dominant phone company NTT) meaning that you simply plug your regular phone into the onu.
There are other phone poviders (voip) but they are usually internet companies that provide you with a voip capable router.

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  Reply # 667684 5-Aug-2012 08:49 Send private message

hamish225: With VoIP becoming the main telephone service in New Zealand, you'd think that phone manufacturers would start making VoIP phones that have Ethernet cable plugs that you plug into your home's structured cabling system back into your router, removing the need for an ata, or am i missing something? 


There are many around. It's just cheaper to get an ATA and plug a cheap phone than buying a VoIP handset.






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  Reply # 667687 5-Aug-2012 08:56 Send private message

hamish225: With VoIP becoming the main telephone service in New Zealand, you'd think that phone manufacturers would start making VoIP phones that have Ethernet cable plugs that you plug into your home's structured cabling system back into your router, removing the need for an ata, or am i missing something? 


If you're not being sarcastic then yes you are missing something. There are loads of VoIP Phones around and have been for quite a few years now. A web search for IP Phones will bring up a wealth of information for you.




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  Reply # 667702 5-Aug-2012 10:10 Send private message

hamish225: With VoIP becoming the main telephone service in New Zealand, you'd think that phone manufacturers would start making VoIP phones that have Ethernet cable plugs that you plug into your home's structured cabling system back into your router, removing the need for an ata, or am i missing something? 

I mean you'd have to put your username, password, VoIP number and VoIP server into the phones themselves instead of just on the ata, but that seems like a better system in my opinion...

or even phones that just connected to your WiFi network...

if no one's thought of this before though, copyright Hamish 2012 hahahahahahahahaha


Mate there are heaps of Voip phones around, just go on Nicegear :)







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  Reply # 667722 5-Aug-2012 11:12 Send private message

ohhh, yeah i've seen voip phones at one of my schools, but never in shops.















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  Reply # 667724 5-Aug-2012 11:16 Send private message

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hamish225: With VoIP becoming the main telephone service in New Zealand, you'd think that phone manufacturers would start making VoIP phones that have Ethernet cable plugs that you plug into your home's structured cabling system back into your router, removing the need for an ata, or am i missing something? 


There are many around. It's just cheaper to get an ATA and plug a cheap phone than buying a VoIP handset.




oh, wow they are quite expensive, $500 for a normal desk phone!













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  Reply # 667725 5-Aug-2012 11:22 Send private message

hamish225: oh, wow they are quite expensive, $500 for a normal desk phone!


Na, ITDirect have SPA303's for a fraction of that price.

Your comment is like saying "I found a price for a Rolls, OMG cars are expensive!".






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  Reply # 667735 5-Aug-2012 11:39 Send private message

hamish225: With VoIP becoming the main telephone service in New Zealand, you'd think that phone manufacturers would start making VoIP phones that have Ethernet cable plugs that you plug into your home's structured cabling system back into your router, removing the need for an ata, or am i missing something? 

I mean you'd have to put your username, password, VoIP number and VoIP server into the phones themselves instead of just on the ata, but that seems like a better system in my opinion...

or even phones that just connected to your WiFi network...

if no one's thought of this before though, copyright Hamish 2012 hahahahahahahahaha


By structured cabling, do you mean 8-wire Ethernet grade (run <90m), terminating in RJ45 female plugs or a patch panel, ie a typical LAN setup? Hardly anyone has this in their house, although there are exceptions.

I believe most of the 1.65m NZ homes still have the classic 2-wire and in some cases 3-wire setups around the house. In addition, many would have the DIY phone extension's running around the place, courtesy of Mr Dick Smith's ready-to-go kits coming out in the late 80's... which nicely predate ADSL.

Point is, very very few homes would have the right wiring network in place to support a LAN. 8 wires into 2 does not go, and that is the position most of the western world is in.

If you do have the right wiring - in the right place of course, where you want it - then job done. You can plug an IP Phone in and straight back to your service providers IAD (no-one is provisioning direct to the Fibre Companies device yet I believe).

Of course, that raises the next comment, that most of the IP phones out there that I've seen have the most appalling form factor, went to the Cisco school of 'how to design a brick'...






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  Reply # 667778 5-Aug-2012 13:39 Send private message

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hamish225: With VoIP becoming the main telephone service in New Zealand, you'd think that phone manufacturers would start making VoIP phones that have Ethernet cable plugs that you plug into your home's structured cabling system back into your router, removing the need for an ata, or am i missing something? 

I mean you'd have to put your username, password, VoIP number and VoIP server into the phones themselves instead of just on the ata, but that seems like a better system in my opinion...

or even phones that just connected to your WiFi network...

if no one's thought of this before though, copyright Hamish 2012 hahahahahahahahaha


By structured cabling, do you mean 8-wire Ethernet grade (run <90m), terminating in RJ45 female plugs or a patch panel, ie a typical LAN setup? Hardly anyone has this in their house, although there are exceptions.

I believe most of the 1.65m NZ homes still have the classic 2-wire and in some cases 3-wire setups around the house. In addition, many would have the DIY phone extension's running around the place, courtesy of Mr Dick Smith's ready-to-go kits coming out in the late 80's... which nicely predate ADSL.

Point is, very very few homes would have the right wiring network in place to support a LAN. 8 wires into 2 does not go, and that is the position most of the western world is in.

If you do have the right wiring - in the right place of course, where you want it - then job done. You can plug an IP Phone in and straight back to your service providers IAD (no-one is provisioning direct to the Fibre Companies device yet I believe).

Of course, that raises the next comment, that most of the IP phones out there that I've seen have the most appalling form factor, went to the Cisco school of 'how to design a brick'...




hahaha, i know that most houses don't have structured cabling now, i suppose i mean for the future.













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  Reply # 667838 5-Aug-2012 16:39 Send private message

One of the big problems not using a ATA is how do you plug more that one fone in?? I know you can do it with 2Talk but others??




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  Reply # 667902 5-Aug-2012 19:12 Send private message

old3eyes: One of the big problems not using a ATA is how do you plug more that one fone in?? I know you can do it with 2Talk but others??


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  Reply # 667929 5-Aug-2012 20:10 Send private message

I am installing a small Asterisk server for a client at the moment. Micro-ITX mobo with Intel Atom in a tiny little 'thin client' type case. Installed at his patch panel and then have supplied him with one Cisco SPA303 for the office and then Siemens Gigaset A510IP cordless phones. They have a DECT base station which allows an ethernet connection and a PSTN line as well. You can register up to six handests to the base station and have up to six SIP registrations on it.
Long story short, get your self an IP DECT solution and you can have a bunch of phones working off one SIP registration or get a bunch of lines and register them to the base station or go the whole hog and install a small PBX.
The only reason we are installing a PBX for this guy is because he has a couple of houses and wants them to all run off the same number and have free calling between them and use a soft phone on his android phone etc.



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  Reply # 667931 5-Aug-2012 20:16 Send private message

Oh i didn't realise you couldn't just log into the same voip account on several phones...













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