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  Reply # 751730 28-Jan-2013 07:37 Send private message

And now Microsoft is saying Windows 8 is not selling well because... It's all OEM fault for not making enough touchscreen devices.

The real message I hear from everywhere: people don't want touchscreen. Bring back the start button and desktop to laptops, leave the tiles for tablets, for $deity sake.







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  Reply # 751733 28-Jan-2013 08:10 Send private message

Windows 8 is a better experience on touch screen, wait until you use a laptop with a touchscreen, it is great for occasional interfacing with the UI.

It seems the majority of people are set in stone already in regards to what they think about Windows 8,

The start menu was not a great UI tool!  It threw you into folder view with a few shortcuts to get you around the place, 'Metro' is a step up in actually visualizing your stuff...and search makes it a breeze to find other things.  Hit windows key, type your search, and then click the search context.

If you use Windows 7 File recovery on Windows 8, it works great, creates full images for your PC, they didn't include a Windows 8 feature as no one used it, but for those that DO use it, they included the Windows 7 app.

Windows 8 is a great consumer OS, it's fast and flexible, just learn how to use it...




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  Reply # 751734 28-Jan-2013 08:14 Send private message

macuser: Windows 8 is a better experience on touch screen, wait until you use a laptop with a touchscreen, it is great for occasional interfacing with the UI.


Except people won't pay extra for the touchscreen, as the OEMs found out. Therefore the "advantages" are gone.

macuser: The start menu was not a great UI tool!  It threw you into folder view with a few shortcuts to get you around the place, 'Metro' is a step up in actually visualizing your stuff...and search makes it a breeze to find other things.  Hit windows key, type your search, and then click the search context.


I agree "Metro" (for lack of a better name, not even Microsoft knows what it is called now) is a good interface. I use it on my Windows Phone and obviously I wouldn't be looking for a Start button in my phone, or tablet.

But a laptop is a different metaphor. 


macuser: Windows 8 is a great consumer OS, it's fast and flexible, just learn how to use it...


As an OS it's fast, and faster that Windows 7. As a UI it's different than Windows 7. The combination of these things make the UX. The UX is the one that's not working well for some.






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  Reply # 751736 28-Jan-2013 08:30 Send private message

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 I agree "Metro" (for lack of a better name, not even Microsoft knows what it is called now) is a good interface. I use it on my Windows Phone and obviously I wouldn't be looking for a Start button in my phone, or tablet.

But a laptop is a different metaphor.  


I would say that Windows 8 is better suited to a keyboard than any OS before it, hitting the windows key and typing gets you anywhere, and a shortcut combination gives you the menu options, I would say it's actually better optimized for those things with a physical keyboard (laptop/desktop) because of that, and the fact you get the whole desktop UI as well.  There may be a learning curve, but it's not very often you have had to relearn Windows...

As an OS it's fast, and faster that Windows 7. As a UI it's different than Windows 7. The combination of these things make the UX. The UX is the one that's not working well for some.


Is that because they don't 'understand' it, or don't want to...rather than it actually not working, seems a lot of IT Professionals are spreading FUD (perhaps unintentionally) to regular consumers who are now very weary of it, Windows 8 may not be ready for enterprise so close to its release, but makes a fine consumer OS...




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  Reply # 751738 28-Jan-2013 08:30 Send private message

macuser: Windows 8 is a better experience on touch screen, wait until you use a laptop with a touchscreen, it is great for occasional interfacing with the UI.


If you use Windows 7 File recovery on Windows 8, it works great, creates full images for your PC, they didn't include a Windows 8 feature as no one used it, but for those that DO use it, they included the Windows 7 app.

Windows 8 is a great consumer OS, it's fast and flexible, just learn how to use it...
I have gone back to windows 7.  I like to use the image backup and in Windows 7 it works well.  Windows 8 I did the same using Windows 7 File recovery to make image backup.  Then test the backup. Windows 8 only gave option of Windows 7 backup and would not allow me to use the image file I had just created.  For me it was useless.  To use media centre extra steps were required. Windows 7 just works so well.

I have a Windows 8 tablet with no keyboard and it can be a pain to use at times.  Try doing multiple file copy. Just work well without keyboard.




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  Reply # 751739 28-Jan-2013 08:32 Send private message

freitasm:
macuser: Windows 8 is a better experience on touch screen, wait until you use a laptop with a touchscreen, it is great for occasional interfacing with the UI.


Except people won't pay extra for the touchscreen, as the OEMs found out. Therefore the "advantages" are gone.


Quiet simply, I don't want a touchscreen for a desktop.

I want a nice large monitor that can multitask, in my office with keyboard and mouse. I don't want gorilla arms, and I don't want finger prints all over the thing either. Sure its great for portable devices. But I can't imagine ever sitting at a desk, behind my large LCD monitor, and swipping away at the screen.

'Gorilla Arm' Will Keep Touch Screens From Taking Over


"With Windows 8, Microsoft has made a billion-dollar gamble that personal computing is taking a new direction and that new direction is touch, says David Pogue. It's efficient on a touchscreen tablet. But Microsoft expects us to run Windows 8 on our tens of millions of everyday PCs. Although touch has been incredibly successful on our phones, tablets, airport kiosks and cash machines, Pogue says touch will never take over on PCs. The reason? Gorilla Arms. There are three big differences between tablet screens and a PC's screen: angle, distance and time interval. The problem is 'the tingling ache that [comes] from extending my right arm to manipulate that screen for hours, an affliction that has earned the nickname of gorilla arm.' Some experts say gorilla arm is what killed touch computing during its first wave in the early 1980s but Microsoft is betting that Windows 8 will be so attractive that we won't mind touching our PC screens, at least until the PC concept fades away entirely. 'My belief is that touch screens make sense on mobile computers but not on stationary ones,' concludes Pogue. 'Microsoft is making a gigantic bet that I'm wrong.'"







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  Reply # 751741 28-Jan-2013 08:38 Send private message

Klipspringer:
freitasm:
macuser: Windows 8 is a better experience on touch screen, wait until you use a laptop with a touchscreen, it is great for occasional interfacing with the UI.


Except people won't pay extra for the touchscreen, as the OEMs found out. Therefore the "advantages" are gone.


Quiet simply, I don't want a touchscreen for a desktop.



Fairly simple answer to that, you don't need to use a touch screen at all...




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  Reply # 751742 28-Jan-2013 08:42 Send private message

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I have gone back to windows 7.  I like to use the image backup and in Windows 7 it works well.  Windows 8 I did the same using Windows 7 File recovery to make image backup.  Then test the backup. Windows 8 only gave option of Windows 7 backup and would not allow me to use the image file I had just created.  For me it was useless.  To use media centre extra steps were required. Windows 7 just works so well.



 

I make daily system backups to another internal HDD, I have had to re-image multiple times with Windows 7 when the boot gets all messed up, but from memory I have never had to re-image in Windows 8, I'm not sure if that is because the gods have blessed me or Windows 8 is more stable...




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  Reply # 751743 28-Jan-2013 08:43 Send private message

You must be doing something with your laptops, because in all these years using Windows 7 I only had to reimage:

- when I had faulty RAM corrupting the hive
- when I had a failed driver installation and had to restore from the image

Never had Windows 7 itself failing so badly I needed to restore an image.




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  Reply # 751745 28-Jan-2013 08:50 Send private message

macuser:
Klipspringer:
freitasm:
macuser: Windows 8 is a better experience on touch screen, wait until you use a laptop with a touchscreen, it is great for occasional interfacing with the UI.


Except people won't pay extra for the touchscreen, as the OEMs found out. Therefore the "advantages" are gone.


Quiet simply, I don't want a touchscreen for a desktop.



Fairly simple answer to that, you don't need to use a touch screen at all...


Agree with you, and thats how I am using it at the moment. Just wish I could disable the metro interface completely.

Why MS never gave its users an option (desktop mode, or metro mode) is beyond me. Metro does not work nicely on a desktop with a mouse. The apps fill the screen, and there is no multitasking.

MS is blaming the OEM's for the poor sales of Windows 8 for not making enough touchscreens. But not all of us want touchscreens.

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  Reply # 751746 28-Jan-2013 08:51 Send private message

freitasm: You must be doing something with your laptops, because in all these years using Windows 7 I only had to reimage:

- when I had faulty RAM corrupting the hive
- when I had a failed driver installation and had to restore from the image

Never had Windows 7 itself failing so badly I needed to restore an image.


A confluence of events and you can be in for a very bad time, it is also sometimes much faster to re-image to yesterday's image than to have to Google around and fix your current one.




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  Reply # 751747 28-Jan-2013 08:51 Send private message

freitasm: And now Microsoft is saying Windows 8 is not selling well because... It's all OEM fault for not making enough touchscreen devices

Microsoft Surface is not a big seller afaik so that rings a little hollow. If Microsoft expects PC manufacturers to take all the risk for Microsoft's bizarre ipad combat strategy that is a little weird. They will need to be a lot smarter than bulk to take iPad and Android market share.

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  Reply # 751750 28-Jan-2013 09:02 Send private message


Agree with you, and thats how I am using it at the moment. Just wish I could disable the metro interface completely.

Why MS never gave its users an option (desktop mode, or metro mode) is beyond me. Metro does not work nicely on a desktop with a mouse. The apps fill the screen, and there is no multitasking.

MS is blaming the OEM's for the poor sales of Windows 8 for not making enough touchscreens. But not all of us want touchscreens.


 

I don't really use the metro apps at all, but I use the new start menu heaps, and like it far more than the old one, but spend at least 80% of my time in desktop mode, so although I don't want to bring the old start menu back, being able to opt to boot into desktop mode rather than straight into metro could be good




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  Reply # 751751 28-Jan-2013 09:09 Send private message

macuser:
freitasm: You must be doing something with your laptops, because in all these years using Windows 7 I only had to reimage:

- when I had faulty RAM corrupting the hive
- when I had a failed driver installation and had to restore from the image

Never had Windows 7 itself failing so badly I needed to restore an image.


A confluence of events and you can be in for a very bad time, it is also sometimes much faster to re-image to yesterday's image than to have to Google around and fix your current one.


I know stuff happens. And I know it's faster to reimage than to fix things - that's why I have two images made every day from my laptop.






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  Reply # 751753 28-Jan-2013 09:15 Send private message

freitasm: You must be doing something with your laptops, because in all these years using Windows 7 I only had to reimage:

- when I had faulty RAM corrupting the hive
- when I had a failed driver installation and had to restore from the image

Never had Windows 7 itself failing so badly I needed to restore an image.
The only times I have had to reimage was when I mucked around with it trying different codecs.  Now days I just have the built in codecs plus haali media splitter to play mkv in media center.
  I still like to have an image backup just in case.  Having tried Windows 8 and now gone back to Windows 7 and everything working well, I have imaged and will leave it as it is.




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