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  Reply # 736310 22-Dec-2012 13:23 Send private message

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you. Afterall the action has to be undertaken, at least once.

As I have said all through this thread, people are doing it wrong. Just live on the desktop and use it like Win 7. I replaced the Reader with the Adobe Reader, and don't use the metro apps, I don't need to, and the only difference between win8 and win 7 is the start page. How did some people here ever cope when win 95 came out after 3.2? The trauma of new technology seems to be frying some peoples minds.

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Reply # 736315 22-Dec-2012 13:34 Send private message

I liked most of Windows 8 but compatibility was biggest problem.  My Canon printer worked well with Windows 7 and Gimp or Photoshop and I could scan an image into it.  On Windows 8 even using compatibility it wont work.  I have the Windows 8 driver and I have to go to all apps printers and devices then my printer is shown twice. On the second one I have to right click and choose scan (not an option in first one) and scan it, save it then go back to paint program and import it. A lot of extra steps. Then wifi driver keeps disconnecting from internet but can still connect on my network.  Maybe when the service pack comes out, it will be fixed. So I am back to Windows 7 for best all round use




HTPC AMD A4-5300 cpu, Gigabyte ga2fa75m-d3h motherboard, , 4GB DDR3 ram, onboard  graphics. Hauppuage HVR 3300 tuner,  Antec 2480B case, Windows 7 home premium 64 bit using media center

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  Reply # 736343 22-Dec-2012 15:01 Send private message

GBristow:
John2010:
GBristow: ...The UI is GREAT when used on a tablet, but forcing mice users to drag all over the *ucking screen just to, say, connect to a wifi point is absurd...


While a good rant is always worthwhile when you know what you are talking about, it can prove embarrassing when all it does is show that you do not know what you are doing.

Because, for the example you give of connecting to a wifi point, it is actually as simple as clicking on the network notification icon on the taskbar and selecting the network, modem or wifi point you want.


Sure, I can press the windows key first. Why the extra step? It's a minor inconvenience, but they all add up in W8. But then when I click on the wifi symbol on the task bar, instead of a neat window popping up close to my mouse pointer (you know, what would be logical and time saving), a large menu moves in from the right, stealing focus and preventing me from clicking anywhere else. Then I have to drag all the way to the top of the screen in order to select my network. On the plus side, my right arm is sure getting a good work out.


You really are lost, aren't you.

First, the "large menu" that "moves in from the right"  does not steal focus preventing you "from clicking anywhere else" as you claim.

If you find the journey of the mouse from the bottom of the screen up into the list of connections too much effort for you, then there are lots of alternatives. I'll just suggest three:

- Set the Taskbar to the top of the screen, then when you click on the network notification icon the list of connections will be right under your mouse pointer, or

- If you prefer the desktop, then just put shortcuts on it to your known connections. Remember to put them where your mouse journey will be least, or

- If you prefer the Start page then just create a tile for each of your known connections. Remember to put the tile where your mouse journey will be least.

Somehow I suspect that anything will be an insurmountable  inconvenience to you though.

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  Reply # 736348 22-Dec-2012 15:30 Send private message

windows key, win+x and win+c. Type to find apps. Quick as, used it every day on my work desktop and it is fast as a fast thing. I find I barely use the mouse with it now. Just grouped the programs I use into nice easy blocks and search for anything else. Loving it with office 2013 too.
I can understand that if you hunt and pick with the mouse all the time, it is not going to be an easy change though. Hopefully we start to see some nicer touch enabled accessories so the desktop can take advantage of the fancy new touch features.

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  Reply # 736351 22-Dec-2012 15:42 Send private message

John2010: 

Somehow I suspect that anything will be an insurmountable  inconvenience to you though.


If MS released  a WIN7+ version, which has win8 features without metro , then I'd upgrade. 

If win8 was not installed as OEM, I doubt they'd have had many sales. 







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  Reply # 736362 22-Dec-2012 16:05 Send private message

surfisup1000:
John2010: 

Somehow I suspect that anything will be an insurmountable  inconvenience to you though.


If MS released  a WIN7+ version, which has win8 features without metro , then I'd upgrade. 

If win8 was not installed as OEM, I doubt they'd have had many sales. 



All one has to do is just ignore the Metro apps - uninstall them all, which is what I did to start with (after a bit of browsing I later found a couple that are very useful to me though). They are not needed at all, and if you do use some it is no problem getting in and out of them as some seem to think.

As several of us keep saying, just use the tiled Start page for your own applications.

The only alternative if you want to stay with Windows is to stay on Win 7 forever - just like those who are still on Win98 now Surprised .


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  Reply # 736406 22-Dec-2012 19:37 Send private message

well i just upgraded from windows 7. was worried my tv server setup would be borked (with smartcarder reader for sky channels), but nope thats working fine, so im happy with that. had some network issues, but upgrading bios of mb and installing newest drivers fixed that.

only reason I upgraded was to develop windows phone 8 apps, but i cant get hyper v working on my machine, gigabyte motherboards apparently have issues with hyper-v, this is really annoying.

but windows 8 wise, i think its fine. theres a few quirks, like theres "Update" which is a full screen update touch interface, but theres still the standard "Update" from control panel.

its odd how you can't ctrl tab between full screen tablet apps and desktop apps (this is kinda crazy really...).

but all and all, i like most of it.

i love the new lock screen / welcome screen. can put any pic you want up easily (without a messy hack or 3rd party app, i know you could do it that way in win7).

so personally i think its a good $20 well spent. seems a bit faster too.

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  Reply # 736536 23-Dec-2012 11:59 Send private message

reven:
 ...theres a few quirks, like theres "Update" which is a full screen update touch interface, but theres still the standard "Update" from control panel...


You may have noticed this already, but in case not the Control Panel shortcut for Windows Update can be pinned (with right click) to the Start page and it then runs in Desktop mode from that tile.


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  Reply # 736546 23-Dec-2012 13:09 Send private message

John2010:
GBristow:
John2010:
GBristow: ...The UI is GREAT when used on a tablet, but forcing mice users to drag all over the *ucking screen just to, say, connect to a wifi point is absurd...


While a good rant is always worthwhile when you know what you are talking about, it can prove embarrassing when all it does is show that you do not know what you are doing.

Because, for the example you give of connecting to a wifi point, it is actually as simple as clicking on the network notification icon on the taskbar and selecting the network, modem or wifi point you want.


Sure, I can press the windows key first. Why the extra step? It's a minor inconvenience, but they all add up in W8. But then when I click on the wifi symbol on the task bar, instead of a neat window popping up close to my mouse pointer (you know, what would be logical and time saving), a large menu moves in from the right, stealing focus and preventing me from clicking anywhere else. Then I have to drag all the way to the top of the screen in order to select my network. On the plus side, my right arm is sure getting a good work out.


You really are lost, aren't you.

First, the "large menu" that "moves in from the right"  does not steal focus preventing you "from clicking anywhere else" as you claim.

If you find the journey of the mouse from the bottom of the screen up into the list of connections too much effort for you, then there are lots of alternatives. I'll just suggest three:

- Set the Taskbar to the top of the screen, then when you click on the network notification icon the list of connections will be right under your mouse pointer, or

- If you prefer the desktop, then just put shortcuts on it to your known connections. Remember to put them where your mouse journey will be least, or

- If you prefer the Start page then just create a tile for each of your known connections. Remember to put the tile where your mouse journey will be least.

Somehow I suspect that anything will be an insurmountable  inconvenience to you though.


Wait, so your "solution" is to tell me to put my taskbar at the top of the display, or create previously unnecessary shortcuts? Try again. Additionally, the wifi menu which pops out DOES steal focus. Have you even used W8 yet? Do you know what "stealing focus" means?

User: Why is useful feature X disabled?

Fanboy: OMG U SO STUPID JUST JUMP THRU THESE HOOPS RIGHT HERE

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Ultimate Geek
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  Reply # 736559 23-Dec-2012 13:51 Send private message

GBristow:
...Wait, so your "solution" is to tell me to put my taskbar at the top of the display, or create previously unnecessary shortcuts? Try again. Additionally, the wifi menu which pops out DOES steal focus. Have you even used W8 yet? Do you know what "stealing focus" means?

User: Why is useful feature X disabled?

Fanboy: OMG U SO STUPID JUST JUMP THRU THESE HOOPS RIGHT HERE


I have just realised now what your age must be. Sorry, my fault, I was assuming that you were an adult.

Perhaps one of your school teachers will show you how to use Windows 8 when you get back to school after the holidays.

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  Reply # 736563 23-Dec-2012 14:05 Send private message

So when you lose arguments you start insulting people? Ironic, considering the nature of your insult.

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  Reply # 736567 23-Dec-2012 14:49 Send private message

John2010:
The only alternative if you want to stay with Windows is to stay on Win 7 forever - just like those who are still on Win98 now Surprised .



I think it all depends what businesses do, as they are a big user of windows. I think we will likely see a business version of windows 8, possibility windows 9 business edition, that will be more like windows 7, that that it may not have the metro interface, and it will concentrate on the desktop. Windows 8 is great if you have a touch screen device, including touch screen desktops, but windows 7 is great for a more conventional desktop. Th thing is windows 7 is  still a relatively new OS historically when it comes to MS, where version updates can span many years.
It is really early days, and I think it will also come down to what apple decide to do, as they are still using a conventional desktop OS on their computers. Apple often get these things right (or at least they have in the past)

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  Reply # 736573 23-Dec-2012 15:21 Send private message

netspanner: It must be a terrible inconvenience for you. Afterall the action has to be undertaken, at least once.

As I have said all through this thread, people are doing it wrong. Just live on the desktop and use it like Win 7. I replaced the Reader with the Adobe Reader, and don't use the metro apps, I don't need to, and the only difference between win8 and win 7 is the start page. How did some people here ever cope when win 95 came out after 3.2? The trauma of new technology seems to be frying some peoples minds.


Yah it worked out so well for Apple that the "amazing" Steve Jobs stood up and said people were holding their phones wrong. 

OS's are supposed to make lives easier and more productive. Windows 8 doesn't do that without a touchscreen or a serious bent toward social media.

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  Reply # 736579 23-Dec-2012 16:04 Send private message

mattwnz:
I think it all depends what businesses do, as they are a big user of windows...


Businesses normally do not change to new versions of Windows very quickly in any event, but my own experience is that Windows 8 is very easy for most people to use once it has been set up along the lines of several of us have been saying, along the lines of Netspanner's Start screen example that he posted earlier. So, for a simple example, a PA who was to use just MSWord and MSOutlook could turn on their machine, log on, and the Start page appear with just the tiles for those two applications on it, perhaps with a "Shut Down" and "Restart" tile added too.

My own experience is that anyone, even non computer literate ones, who has used a Windows PC before is not dumbstruck if they turn a machine on and are confronted with the Start screen set up as a number of us have described (see Netspanners example), even if they have not been shown how it works. They just intuitively know that you click on the tile of the application they want - and most who have been familiar with the Windows key work out in a couple of seconds that takes them back to the Start page if they want to launch another application.

If one thinks Win 8 has a "Metro interface" (which it hasn't, it has a Start screen, and it has the capability to run both "Metro" and "conventional" applications from that), and is only suitable for touch screens or social applications, etc then one really does not understand the operating system at all. Perhaps the main hurdle is that when it is first installed the Start page just has a set of Metro applications on it which, seemingly, gives some the view that these full screen applications, many of which are perhaps best suited for touchscreen and are very simple, is what Win 8 is all about.

Do you have a machine of your own with Windows 8 on it to play around with and reconfigure as you want, maybe along the lines that have been described, or are you just commenting from a point of having a try on that of someone else and been confronted with a Start screen full of Metro apps?

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  Reply # 737209 25-Dec-2012 22:39 Send private message

Guys Thanks for all Windows command tips, however one shouldn't have to do that. It should be as simple as it was in Win 7. Wasn't a goal of MS, up until recently to make Operating system commands simpler after every release.

Well with Win 8 it's exactly the opposite. It's the hardest operating system to use, and I've used every main Windows OS in my time. Good, and bad ones.

Sure I can take the time to learn Windows 8, and the way round, but I shouldn't have to. I'm quite an experienced PC user, and I feel that Microsoft is ignoring users with superior knowledge of their older Operating systems, and make all of learn an entirely new interface which is so much more complicated.

Stuff in the past that has taken me a few steps with Vista, or 7, or even XP is taking me one heck of a lot more steps with Win 8.

My advice. Stay away from it, it's a piece of garbage. I feel that this is going to fail, and cost Microsoft big time.

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