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  Reply # 653455 10-Jul-2012 12:06 Send private message

Interesting how even with all the evidence supporting evolution, there are people who rather believe in a creationism version without any evidence.






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  Reply # 653459 10-Jul-2012 12:17 Send private message

freitasm: Interesting how even with all the evidence supporting evolution, there are people who rather believe in a creationism version without any evidence.


There is evidence its just that you do not understand.  Charles Darwin did not want this theories to come out because he said himself they contained errors, besides his theories were not from him but from his grand father not that it matters.




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  Reply # 653463 10-Jul-2012 12:20 Send private message

Ok, this is a bit deep for a Wednesday morning, but it's late here and I have a plane to catch tomorrow ; ).

She is suggesting that Kuwaiti men marry non-muslim prisoners of war** instead of sexually abusing their domestic workers. She is acknowledging widespread sexual use and abuse of domestic servants. This is actually really radical for Kuwait - and there is more going on here than you might think.

She is a sensationalist media personality in a conservatively governed and policed society.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/world/middleeast/02domestic.html?pagewanted=all

**think about it, thank me for the lols later.





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  Reply # 653510 10-Jul-2012 13:23 Send private message

Kaos36:
freitasm: Interesting how even with all the evidence supporting evolution, there are people who rather believe in a creationism version without any evidence.


There is evidence its just that you do not understand.? Charles Darwin did not want this theories to come out because he said himself they contained errors, besides his theories were not from him but from his grand father not that it matters.


Take a read here and watch all your arguments for Creationism be undone.

The article posted by OP is awesome. That woman sounds crazy.

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  Reply # 653516 10-Jul-2012 13:55 Send private message

freitasm: Interesting how even with all the evidence supporting evolution, there are people who rather believe in a creationism version without any evidence.


And they then go on to quote selective snippets from Hoyle, completely out of context, as being supportive of their own views.

Doing so only demonstrates how little they know about the man (and in the Kaotic one's case, how little they know of the difference between panspermia and evolution) as he was a steady-state adherent (in the face of all evidence whether physical or metaphysical), believed in evolution (he was a Darwinist), and an athiest.

For anyone who knows anything at all of Hoyle's life, the concept of his having been a creationist is enough to send one into a kaotic giggling fit Laughing.

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  Reply # 653521 10-Jul-2012 14:09 Send private message

vinnieg:
Kaos36: having said that its been done on both sides of the fence. King Solomon from the bible and the richest King back in that time had 700 wives and 300 concubines. But that was 2000+ yrs ago!


Although the bible is almost completely fiction?  Maybe in 2000 years people will view Harry Potter as fact?  And say that start worshiping a glasses wearing kid, on a broomstick :)



why not.  there are people that believe L Ron Hubbards stories.




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  Reply # 653561 10-Jul-2012 14:54 Send private message

Kaos36:...snip...The chance of that is 1 in 1 with 40,000 zeros after it. That believing the first cells originated by chance is like believing a tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and form a Boeing 747.  (Fred Hoyle - Astronomer) :)

Soo.... I've a better chance of winning Lotto than being created (or born-again). I might just put down my creationist book and pop down the shops for a Big-Wednesday ticket.

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  Reply # 653576 10-Jul-2012 15:10 Send private message

Kaos36:
vinnieg:
Kaos36: having said that its been done on both sides of the fence. King Solomon from the bible and the richest King back in that time had 700 wives and 300 concubines. But that was 2000+ yrs ago!


Although the bible is almost completely fiction?  Maybe in 2000 years people will view Harry Potter as fact?  And say that start worshiping a glasses wearing kid, on a broomstick :)



Each to there own. You know there is proof that Solomon existed so did King David and many other kings, just because they're mention in a book such as the bible doesn't always mean its a fairy story.  but i bet you believe that we all came from apes  and life was created from a big bang outta know where and from that big bang the basics enzymes of life was created. The chance of that is 1 in 1 with 40,000 zeros after it. That believing the first cells originated by chance is like believing a tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and form a Boeing 747.  (Fred Hoyle - Astronomer) :)



On the other hand believing that god had to send himself down to earth to save his own creation from his own wrath by dying on a cross for three days because a talking snake persuaded a rib-woman to eat some fruit makes complete sense.

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  Reply # 653588 10-Jul-2012 15:34 Send private message

Yike! Devaluing one being for the sake of her husband enjoyment is totally wrong. I felt sorry for those Kuwaiti's women.

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  Reply # 653594 10-Jul-2012 15:37 Send private message

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Each to there own. You know there is proof that Solomon existed so did King David and many other kings, just because they're mention in a book such as the bible doesn't always mean its a fairy story.  but i bet you believe that we all came from apes  and life was created from a big bang outta know where and from that big bang the basics enzymes of life was created. The chance of that is 1 in 1 with 40,000 zeros after it. That believing the first cells originated by chance is like believing a tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and form a Boeing 747.  (Fred Hoyle - Astronomer) :)

 

I'd take away/add the following:
- I think we aren't intelligent enough to know where life exists, or came from
- The big bang theory is just that, a theory.  Or a poorly devised TV show...
- We share the closest 96% of our DNA with chimps, so it's much more likely than we came from chimps, rather than dust.  As "Adam" was created from dust by "God". Since dust has no DNA, then there is no way "Adam" can be created from dust.  


Don't forget a few of Fred Hoyles other quotes though:
"I purposely don't want to make God too remote--nothing like the awesome God of the ancient Hebrews--because I don't believe that concept is right, impressive as it may be."

"There is no possibility, for example, of the eggs of birds passing safely through the atmosphere from space, so that birds must have arisen by evolution here on the Earth." - Guess that one probably blows out the Scientology theory too!

As you said above though, just because we believe in different things, doesn't make us wrong.  Because none of us know where we come from, how we exist, or why we exist.  And we'll likely never know




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  Reply # 653684 10-Jul-2012 18:31 Send private message

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Kaos36:
freitasm: Interesting how even with all the evidence supporting evolution, there are people who rather believe in a creationism version without any evidence.


There is evidence its just that you do not understand.? Charles Darwin did not want this theories to come out because he said himself they contained errors, besides his theories were not from him but from his grand father not that it matters.


Take a read here and watch all your arguments for Creationism be undone.

The article posted by OP is awesome. That woman sounds crazy.


Smile That link leads to rants from atheists.  Hahaha,  Mate i appreciate your offer but its like if i gave you a link to bible scripture and told you all your aguments for atheism be undone here.  No point either ways.






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  Reply # 653692 10-Jul-2012 18:41 Send private message

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Kaos36:

Each to there own. You know there is proof that Solomon existed so did King David and many other kings, just because they're mention in a book such as the bible doesn't always mean its a fairy story.  but i bet you believe that we all came from apes  and life was created from a big bang outta know where and from that big bang the basics enzymes of life was created. The chance of that is 1 in 1 with 40,000 zeros after it. That believing the first cells originated by chance is like believing a tornado could sweep through a junkyard filled with airplane parts and form a Boeing 747.  (Fred Hoyle - Astronomer) :)

 

I'd take away/add the following:
- I think we aren't intelligent enough to know where life exists, or came from
- The big bang theory is just that, a theory.  Or a poorly devised TV show...
- We share the closest 96% of our DNA with chimps, so it's much more likely than we came from chimps, rather than dust.  As "Adam" was created from dust by "God". Since dust has no DNA, then there is no way "Adam" can be created from dust.  


Don't forget a few of Fred Hoyles other quotes though:
"I purposely don't want to make God too remote--nothing like the awesome God of the ancient Hebrews--because I don't believe that concept is right, impressive as it may be."

"There is no possibility, for example, of the eggs of birds passing safely through the atmosphere from space, so that birds must have arisen by evolution here on the Earth." - Guess that one probably blows out the Scientology theory too!

As you said above though, just because we believe in different things, doesn't make us wrong.  Because none of us know where we come from, how we exist, or why we exist.  And we'll likely never know


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Since dust has no DNA, then there is no way "Adam" can be created from dust.

Human nature clouds our thinking, God is bigger than that. Do you really think the creator would need DNA first to create us?






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Reply # 653710 10-Jul-2012 19:13 Send private message

Where does it say Adam was created from dust? The only references I have ever seen (Genesis 26/27 - examples here and here) say "God said let us create mankind in our image..." I've heard at various times times people referring to "dust" and "basic materials" (which could be DNA) but not actually seen it myself.

Having said that I'm not a superstitious person so don't generally bother myself with this, or any other, codified superstition. I do, however, find it quite interesting that in the referenced passages "God" speaks in the plural.

EDIT: BTW - this all seems incredibly off-topic... :-)




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  Reply # 653730 10-Jul-2012 20:06 Send private message

Religion is a crutch for people who can't accept the reality that there is actually no point to life other than to pro-create.

Hey, don't get me wrong - it's fine if people to choose to believe in a higher being and whatever else that entails, I think that's just dandy. I just can't stand the ones that feel they must convert you to believe that too. Even worse are the ones that show "pity" as you shut the door telling them you're an atheist.




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  Reply # 653750 10-Jul-2012 20:36 Send private message

Dratsab: Where does it say Adam was created from dust? The only references I have ever seen (Genesis 26/27 - examples here and here) say "God said let us create mankind in our image..." I've heard at various times times people referring to "dust" and "basic materials" (which could be DNA) but not actually seen it myself.

Having said that I'm not a superstitious person so don't generally bother myself with this, or any other, codified superstition. I do, however, find it quite interesting that in the referenced passages "God" speaks in the plural.

EDIT: BTW - this all seems incredibly off-topic... :-)


Corinthians 15:47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.

There are also several references to the first man being created of the earths dust, and his name being Adam

I agree this has gone way off topic :)  I was originally a Catholic, baptised, first holy communion, then commitment.  But since being pushed a bit more, I've gone completely against it, and all other organised religions




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