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  Reply # 691998 27-Sep-2012 07:52 Send private message

underwatervrg:

For your information, our reply to public enquires about this misinformation usually includes the following points:
  • ‘Drop, cover and hold’ is the official advice of the New Zealand Government developed collaboratively with expert agencies such as GNS Science, EQC and the Society of Earthquake Engineers
  • Earthquakes don’t tend to kill people; people die from being struck by falling objects or catastrophic building failure
  • New Zealand’s excellent building code means it is unlikely a building will suffer catastrophic failure
  • Most people greatly underestimate the violent shaking of a strong earthquake and how much of a threat exists from unsecured objects being thrown around a room


Official MCDEM response to the triangle of life advice (PDF)
Academic analysis of the triangle of life advice (PDF) by Dr Marla Petal who has researched the 1999 Izmit, Turkey earthquake

Also being in the Emergency Management sector and being part of the response to the Canterbury Quakes the duck cover and hold saved lives in buildings that had partital collapses.


I don't have any issues with this post generally here but this point:
Earthquakes don’t tend to kill people; people die from being struck by falling objects or catastrophic building failure

makes me go WTF? Really?

Isn't that a bit like saying:
"The fall from a great height won't kill you, but the landing is ab*tch"..or..
"It's not so bad being in a high-speed car-crash, but when you're internal organs hit your rib-cage...watch out!"






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  Reply # 692015 27-Sep-2012 08:54 Send private message

alasta: frankly I find the idea of needing to practice diving under the desk a bit absurd.


+1.  But on a positive note I'm all for people paying attention and thinking about this type of situation, just it would be nice if the focus was a bit more orientated around developments.  Like parents fixing shelves next to children's beds, ensuring any food/batteries etc are still suitable, ensuring people know where and how to turn the power, gas and water off to their properties if required, that work BA gear is certified, portable generators have suitable stores of fuel and actually start, op centres that are staff rooms have provisions for IT devices, emergency plans are relevant, practical and up to date and staff are versed on their roles in the bigger picture.  All that sort of stuff.

I feel the same way about relay for life etc, where you get a group of really motivated people and instead of putting them to use, you just get them to walk around in circles for a day.  There's always a trade off between really helping doing boring tasks and the need to make some exciting event to get peoples/media's interest.

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  Reply # 692017 27-Sep-2012 08:56 Send private message

Jaxson:
alasta: frankly I find the idea of needing to practice diving under the desk a bit absurd.


+1.  But on a positive note I'm all for people paying attention and thinking about this type of situation, just it would be nice if the focus was a bit more orientated around developments.  Like parents fixing shelves next to children's beds, ensuring any food/batteries etc are still suitable, ensuring people know where and how to turn the power, gas and water off to their properties if required, that work BA gear is certified, portable generators have suitable stores of fuel and actually start, op centres that are staff rooms have provisions for IT devices, emergency plans are relevant, practical and up to date and staff are versed on their roles in the bigger picture.  All that sort of stuff.

I feel the same way about relay for life etc, where you get a group of really motivated people and instead of putting them to use, you just get them to walk around in circles for a day.  There's always a trade off between really helping doing boring tasks and the need to make some exciting event to get peoples/media's interest.


Agreed




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  Reply # 692047 27-Sep-2012 09:45 Send private message

Any of these 'exercises' are about making you think forward.
Soo.. (as they say in the airline business) 'in the unlikely event of an emergency' you've at some time thought about how you may act.

Whether you shelter under something, in something, beside something, or just decide to continue to hold down your sofa, the key thing is that you're aware of whats actually happened/happening and have started thinking about options, rather than behaving like a headless chook because you've no idea what's going on.

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