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  Reply # 387353 3-Oct-2010 11:35 Send private message

I guess it depends where you live as well. I'm in a town with about 20000 people and from what I've seen, most people apply the rule. Is it different in the bigger cities?

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  Reply # 387354 3-Oct-2010 11:38 Send private message

nickd:
Dratsab: TBH, I think that a lot of people who don't apply the rule (~90% of drivers) are actually aware of it and do understand it, but don't want to apply it as it's more convenient for them not too.


I like to think I am fully aware of the rule and understand it. However, I apply it only when I feel that I am not going to be hit by someone following too closely behind me, or when I know the person following behind me can't pull out, drive around me on the median and toot and abuse me as they do so. 

I apply it every time and yet to have any run into the back of...  no one has ever driven around me tooting and being either.

I'd probably only politely point to the sky anyway Wink




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  Reply # 387358 3-Oct-2010 12:06 Send private message

I've thought of myself as a good driver, but for 25 years, I have not been apply the rule properly, i.e. unregulated T intersection. Although I had been diligently obeying (much to my displeasure) the give way when turning left, when I was turning right across another right turning vehicle, I proceeded as though I had right of way. So now I have to jack my ideas up and do it properly (although I personally believe it will be more confusing to those I'm giving way to).

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  Reply # 387362 3-Oct-2010 12:13 Send private message

lyonrouge: I've thought of myself as a good driver, but for 25 years, I have not been apply the rule properly, i.e. unregulated T intersection. Although I had been diligently obeying (much to my displeasure) the give way when turning left, when I was turning right across another right turning vehicle, I proceeded as though I had right of way. So now I have to jack my ideas up and do it properly (although I personally believe it will be more confusing to those I'm giving way to).


You are by no means the only one, I have yet to see anyone do it, and as you have been driving for 25 years you obviously haven't either. It seems to be a forgotten rule, even though the giving way when turning left rule is obeyed most of the time (even then not enough of the time for it to be considered safe) the unregulated T is never obeyed in my observation.

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  Reply # 387363 3-Oct-2010 12:17 Send private message

I obey the unregulated T rule, but the other car always just sits there and stares at me as if going 'WTF WHY ARE YOU WAITING, DRIVE, HURRRY UP AND DRIVE SO I CAN GO!'. I end up just giving up and going first.

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  Reply # 387365 3-Oct-2010 12:33 Send private message

nickd: I obey the unregulated T rule, but the other car always just sits there and stares at me as if going 'WTF WHY ARE YOU WAITING, DRIVE, HURRRY UP AND DRIVE SO I CAN GO!'. I end up just giving up and going first.


Which kinda goes to prove the bad education and lack of awareness of an unusual rule.

Road rules should be clear and consistent for the safety of everyone. If locals have difficulty with the rules what chance does a new comer have when it is so hit and miss as to whether the rule is going to be applied

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  Reply # 387366 3-Oct-2010 12:34 Send private message

If it wasn't for the news article telling me it was going to change I would have remained blissfully unaware of my non-compliance. Now that I am aware I will try and employ the rule, but I suspect my experience will be similar to 'WTF WHY ARE YOU WAITING, DRIVE, HURRY UP AND DRIVE SO I CAN GO!

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  Reply # 387391 3-Oct-2010 15:06 Send private message

I believe it's just that most people don't encounter uncontrolled intersections all that often. Usually there'd be a give way, so they'd have to wait for you.

If I don't have the right of way, I don't go first. I dont care how long I have to wait for the other guy to go. I'd get out and "educate" them if I have to. Rather that, that a moment of indecision, then both go and whose fault would it be? Who had the right of way?

None of the rules are that tricky. The argument about tourists etc is rubbish. I've not driven much overseas, but if it's only two rules, how hard can it be to remember them. What are we going to do about all the right hand traffic drivers? How will they cope?!?

I'm yet to see a decent argument for changing the rules. Plenty of anecdotal evidence and hearsay, but nothing I'd call concrete. Considering everyone's saying the uncontrolled intersection rule is so widely ignored, how many people have been involved in accidents because of it?

I guess changing the rule will result in less indecision at intersections. If you're turning left you can go, without worrying about what the car behind you is going to do. Is it worth changing? I'm not so sure and I wonder about all the poor right hand turners, they might never get a chance to go on a busy road (i.e. Auckland), unless someone lets them in, which opens a whole other can of worms. We might all turn into left hand versions of Derek Zoolander!

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  Reply # 387396 3-Oct-2010 15:16 Send private message

freitasm: Just remember that you can't do free right turns in all U.S. states. It's only legal in some of them ;)

Really?  I thought it was pretty much everywhere except NYC?

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  Reply # 387418 3-Oct-2010 16:27 Send private message

I think global consistency, especially for a country which promotes its tourism is worth the effort. We adopt everything else, regardless of how well it fits, i.e. MMP, so why not a road rule which aligns us globally?



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  Reply # 387470 3-Oct-2010 20:19 Send private message

Thanks everyone for the feedback, it fits in well to what I expected.
All were informative and interesting, even if I didn't agree completely :)

Like most I like the current regulation, and see only chaos ensuing with a more complex rule when this one is simpler.

What other countries do is probably dumb, and we should copy them (Just because....)?

I also find giving way to folk with similar attention to chickens, not worth the effort.

For most experience road users, they know if it is bigger - wait, otherwise, thanks for letting me go. And if that coincides with current road rules so much the better.
Does anyone know of the rate of tickets issued for not indicating or lying?

There are a lot of people out there on the road trying their hardest to kill me, I know this for a fact! Examples of their stupidly I'm sure will be best for another post, but when one is used to driving for so long you are driving on instinct and you do it automatically. Now with this rule change you have to stop and think, 'Who here has the right of way', and override any automatic habit. Not every one will do this, and the result is not unpredictable!

Lastly one more thing on the current give way rule at T intersections.
When turning right, you have a clear view of the traffic coming towards you, whereas the car turning right (at the end of a T) or left doesn't, which means one can nearly always go first - whatever rule is supposedly in use.

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  Reply # 387476 3-Oct-2010 20:49 Send private message

One area it does stand to improve is at intersections where there are cross signals.

New Zealand has a horrible habit of giving pedestrians a green man on the same phase as right turning traffic. This results in instances where the vehicle applying the right hand rule and waiting can see pedestrians, but the car crossing can't. I've seen numerous instances where traffic that has the right of way turns right through a gap in incoming traffic to suddenly see people crossing and the result being they're now stuck in the middle of the intersection with nowhere to go.

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  Reply # 387493 3-Oct-2010 22:22 Send private message

i think the current give way rule is dangerous when tourists are driving - it (potentially) kills people. i think the idea is we become like everyone else so that chances of killing people because of this very rule is removed




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  Reply # 387591 4-Oct-2010 11:16 Send private message

sbiddle: One area it does stand to improve is at intersections where there are cross signals.

New Zealand has a horrible habit of giving pedestrians a green man on the same phase as right turning traffic. This results in instances where the vehicle applying the right hand rule and waiting can see pedestrians, but the car crossing can't. I've seen numerous instances where traffic that has the right of way turns right through a gap in incoming traffic to suddenly see people crossing and the result being they're now stuck in the middle of the intersection with nowhere to go.


yes, I find that rule quite odd.  You really have to pay attention turning right to not run people over.

freitasm: What should be done is add a "free turn left on red light" rule. This would easy the traffic a lot.


Yes, once I got a handle on this, I thought this rule was brilliant.  It was easily applied as well, at least where I drove (IL, IN, MI, NY, NH)

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  Reply # 387636 4-Oct-2010 12:34 Send private message

Let's not be too quick to judge - just because it's different to what you currently know - it doesn't make it wrong.  Having been taught to drive in England and moving to NZ 4 years ago, I've adapted to the NZ rule.  The rule itself is not confusing - I was told to give way to the other vehicle if they would hit your drivers door - makes sense - apart from occasionally forgetting early on and getting either beeped at or funny looks - no real problems.

The problem is the sporadic application of the rule by drivers.  The most common problem is when I am turning right, I have right of way over someone coming from the opposite direction turning left - easy!  I start to go only to have to stop for some hoon (or hoons) who overtakes the left turning vehicle - sometimes crossing the median line to do so.  I am now left hovering over the median line - can't turn right because of now oncoming traffic, the driver turning left doesn't know whether to go, or not...... Then there's the gap in the traffic, and we both go!!!

With the new rule, I would give way to oncoming traffic - irrespective of whether they are turning left or going straight on.  In my book - simple.  I just have to wait for a gap in the oncoming traffic.  Yes I am holding up the vehicles behind me and yes, I may have to wait a little longer




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