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  Reply # 538876 28-Oct-2011 20:31 Send private message

Dratsab: 
codyc1515: "We are surprised that the House received no report from the Attorney-General under section 7 of the Bill of Rights Act on the bill?s inconsistency with the Bill of Rights. We accept that this is consistent with officials? advice, but we find it difficult to follow their reasoning. The Supreme Court found that existing video camera surveillance as an adjunct to a search warrant is illegal and in breach of section 21 of the Bill of Rights Act given the absence of express statutory authority to do so. The effect of the bill as it came to select committee overruled that, and did so retrospectively."


Interesting quote (as it's wrong), where's it from?

Clearly you have no idea what you are on about, I cited the official government source (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2011/0333/latest/DLM4068800.html) directly in a post I made above. It states exactly what I put:

"We are surprised that the House received no report from the Attorney-General under section 7 of the Bill of Rights Act on the bill’s inconsistency with the Bill of Rights. We accept that this is consistent with officials’ advice, but we find it difficult to follow their reasoning.The Supreme Court found that existing video camera surveillance as an adjunct to a search warrant is illegal and in breach of section 21 of the Bill of Rights Act given the absence of express statutory authority to do so. The effect of the bill as it came to select committee overruled that, and did so retrospectively. Given that the Supreme Court found the actions now to be temporarily permitted are in breach of section 21 of the Bill of Rights Act, it seems axiomatic that retrospectively reinstating those infringements on the rights of New Zealanders (which will almost certainly result in New Zealanders being convicted on the basis of that illegally obtained evidence) must be a breach of section 21."

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Reply # 538914 28-Oct-2011 23:41 Send private message

Lol - it's definitely not me that doesn't know what I'm talking about.

Take another look at the document you've (accurately) quoted. It's a commentary surrounding the introduction of the Video Camera Surveillance (Temporary Measures) Act 2011. It's made by politicians and is not, and should not be construed as, a legal opinion.

As I previously stated, the Supreme Court Judges (in "Omar HAMED and others v The Queen", aka "HAMED and ORS v R", "R v HAMED" or "the Hamed decision") used the words "improperly obtained" and "unlawful". These words do not mean illegal.

I know exactly what words the Supreme Court used as I have access to the full judgment document. You don't: it contains much information which is not allowed in the public arena. You can obtain a redacted version from the courtsofnz website here - the specific words I refer to are all there for you to see. I would be obliged if you could point out where the Judges have used the word illegal.

Talk to your lawyer again...




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  Reply # 538924 29-Oct-2011 00:31 Send private message

codyc1515 I suggest you quit to be honest you are making yourself look foolish




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  Reply # 539093 29-Oct-2011 21:16 Send private message

johnr: codyc1515 I suggest you quit to be honest you are making yourself look foolish

Perhaps if you offer him a ride in your Black helicopter???
(But be sure to remove the cameras and have the pilots declare their military training) 

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  Reply # 539103 29-Oct-2011 22:08 Send private message

oxnsox:
johnr: codyc1515 I suggest you quit to be honest you are making yourself look foolish

Perhaps if you offer him a ride in your Black helicopter???
(But be sure to remove the cameras and have the pilots declare their military training) 

No doubt they'd try the "Bin Laden" on me and dump me out at sea.
Anyway, can we please get back on topic......

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  Reply # 539420 31-Oct-2011 08:20 Send private message

Good point, what is the topic? I kinda hoped that this thread would help me understand the Occupy movement.

As I see it, the intention was a reinforcement of democratic process (governance by majority) rather than influence by minority (1%)?

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  Reply # 539466 31-Oct-2011 10:52 Send private message

lyonrouge:

As I see it, the intention was a reinforcement of democratic process (governance by majority) rather than influence by minority (1%)?


That is as I see it too, and have come to realise like most activists they are the minority protesting because they want to be the 1% that governs Wink

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  Reply # 539488 31-Oct-2011 11:32 Send private message

I'd expect to see a strong upsurge in the Occupy protests in Australia... The grounding of Qantas will have had a major impact on the depressant levels in citizens around major metropolitan areas due to the dramatically reduced chemtrail distribution... Combine that with the very understandable upset passengers are feeling and I suspect there could be a lot of transient support for the Occupy movement over there.

I'm still shocked however that Joyce was allowed to ground the fleet... Perhaps he was able to arrange a higher concentration drop from the few remaining Jetstar flights.

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 539506 31-Oct-2011 11:59 Send private message

Talkiet:

I'm still shocked however that Joyce was allowed to ground the fleet... Perhaps he was able to arrange a higher concentration drop from the few remaining Jetstar flights. 


I am told  by a very reliable source, surely also known by a few of the activists here (why are they so quiet on this?), that Qantas subsidiary Jetconnect is loading up with the stuff here and on arrival at their Australian ports of Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane follow special arrival procedures taking them around about and over the cities in order to give the populace a good sprinkling Wink.


Remember, you heard it here first. 

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Reply # 539550 31-Oct-2011 13:20 Send private message

Talkiet: I'd expect to see a strong upsurge in the Occupy protests in Australia... The grounding of Qantas will have had a major impact on the depressant levels in citizens around major metropolitan areas due to the dramatically reduced chemtrail distribution... Combine that with the very understandable upset passengers are feeling and I suspect there could be a lot of transient support for the Occupy movement over there.

Would this be called:  Occupy Qantas...
It'll never get off the ground   Laughing

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  Reply # 539551 31-Oct-2011 13:21 Send private message

oxnsox:
Talkiet: I'd expect to see a strong upsurge in the Occupy protests in Australia... The grounding of Qantas will have had a major impact on the depressant levels in citizens around major metropolitan areas due to the dramatically reduced chemtrail distribution... Combine that with the very understandable upset passengers are feeling and I suspect there could be a lot of transient support for the Occupy movement over there.

Would this be called:  Occupy Qantas...
It'll never get off the ground   Laughing

I see what you did there
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  Reply # 539555 31-Oct-2011 13:28 Send private message

Perhaps this thread has run it's course....

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  Reply # 539556 31-Oct-2011 13:29 Send private message

Ragnor: Perhaps this thread has run it's course....


Ah, so you see what _I've_ done there :-)

Cheers - N



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  Reply # 539560 31-Oct-2011 13:35 Send private message

Ragnor: Perhaps this thread has run it's course....


Sorry folks. I knew I was just opening up a can of worms when I started this thread.
Haters gonna hate.
Trolls gonna troll.

I suppose it's really up to each individual to decide the best way to live their own lives.
If it involves protest in the form of Occupying, so be it.

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  Reply # 539592 31-Oct-2011 14:28 Send private message

I am still not understanding the point of the occupation protests despite reading about this extensively. I have even been told several times that not understanding what they are about only proves I am part of the problem, whatever that means.

Until someone can explain to me why people who earn over arbitraryPersonalIncome() are the problem with the economy I will continue to fail to comprehend the protests.

I can understand the point of view of many of the protesters but feel their argument is directed in the wrong direction.

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