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  Reply # 571745 21-Jan-2012 20:59 Send private message

nakedmolerat: will they return our personal files on megaupload??? goodness sake this is not fair for law-abiding users


You must be a pirate then Tongue Out  Shows why SOPA shouldnt be allowed through doesnt it.  Can just see servers being taken down that have hundreds of virtualhosts due to one account, and with it, hundreds of legit users loosing their website in the process.

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  Reply # 571767 21-Jan-2012 22:19 Send private message

this shows how dangerous it is to rely on 'cloud' storage





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  Reply # 571775 21-Jan-2012 22:34 Send private message

nakedmolerat: this shows how dangerous it is to rely on 'cloud' storage


This is a statement with no support at all - unless you forgot to add a "joke" icon. One thing is having data stored with Microsoft, Amazon, Google. Another thing is having data stored in a web site known to host pirated content.

 




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  Reply # 571776 21-Jan-2012 22:40 Send private message

freitasm:
nakedmolerat: this shows how dangerous it is to rely on 'cloud' storage


This is a statement with no support at all - unless you forgot to add a "joke" icon. One thing is having data stored with Microsoft, Amazon, Google. Another thing is having data stored in a web site known to host pirated content.

 


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 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.

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  Reply # 571781 21-Jan-2012 22:55 Send private message

freitasm:
nakedmolerat: this shows how dangerous it is to rely on 'cloud' storage


This is a statement with no support at all - unless you forgot to add a "joke" icon. One thing is having data stored with Microsoft, Amazon, Google. Another thing is having data stored in a web site known to host pirated content.

 


what will stop these pirates/terrorists/criminals from using amazon, google or microsoft cloud storage to host the objected contents?





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  Reply # 571782 21-Jan-2012 23:06 Send private message

jpollock: Dude's toast.


Reckon.

I can't see anything in that YouTube clip. Says the URL is malformed.

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  Reply # 571792 22-Jan-2012 00:59 Send private message

mattwnz:
Laws haven't kept up with the changes in technology, even from just a few years ago. Also these big media companies have people in high up places, so have a lot of influence on the laws. I don't think they are loosing that much money at all, as their profits have risen year on year, and they have the chance to adapt and create a different experiences. Similar things happened when the motor vehicle came in. In 1865, any self propelled carriage on a British highway had to have a crew of three men. One had to walk in front of the carriage with a red flag to warn horse drawn vehicles of it's approach. That was done to protect an dying industry, but thankfully that didn't last.



I agree fully.


On the one hand, I dont have an issue with enforcing copyright, after all, it has always been illegal, its just now there is a push. The way I see it, we have all had a free ride for quite a length of time. However, I do disagree with many aspects of the laws that are in or are coming in.

I feel a better debate would be if ALL content was available in digital format as well as physical. Why isnt it? Well none of us know, but it is clear that the media houses have far too much control, their claims of lost revenue are vastly vastly overstated, they control everything. For music, performers are in a quandary as getting air time is controlled by the boys club, the media houses, so it really is a business model based upon owning or controlling how the industry runs.

These media companies have intentionally and artificially not allowed evolution in digital media to evolve. How they can be forced to change, I don't know. 

      

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  Reply # 571794 22-Jan-2012 02:20 Send private message

freitasm:
nakedmolerat: this shows how dangerous it is to rely on 'cloud' storage


This is a statement with no support at all - unless you forgot to add a "joke" icon. One thing is having data stored with Microsoft, Amazon, Google. Another thing is having data stored in a web site known to host pirated content.

 


He made a very real point, Pirates may well move onto the sites with the bigger legal backbones to use to store files, I already know of people who have stored illegal content on similar services provided by Microsoft, Google and Similar, I have stored the odd thing there myself, There is a certain irony to storing a backup of crack for the Windows OS on Microsoft's own servers after all.

Is there some reason why large company's should not legally be held accountable in the same way as the shady looking smaller company's are held for providing almost exactly the same service? Are you saying they should be legally required to spend more on preventing illegal material from being uploaded than they make in profit from the service as is done with YouTube? or are you saying they should cancel the service altogether as soon as they are known for it being used by pirates?

Cloud storage is as strong as its weakest point and this is one of many weak points of cloud storage.

For a quick example:

Certain company's are allowing the upload of MP3, etc files for cloud streaming services, They can NOT discern if it was legally ripped from an owned CD or not therefore a lot of the content uploaded will be illegal, This falls under similar laws.

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  Reply # 571804 22-Jan-2012 08:42 Send private message

nzlemming:
jpollock: Dude's toast.


Reckon.

I can't see anything in that YouTube clip. Says the URL is malformed.


Hrm... Let's try again.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGo5bxWy21g 

The Wire - Welcome to the New Day Co-Op






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  Reply # 571806 22-Jan-2012 08:47 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
old3eyes:
KiwiNZ: Even if the pirated material was offered by the rights holders for $1 the downloaders would still want it for nothing. Quite disgusting really.


 

How do you know that??  Haven't you read on this board the endless threads about no legal way to get content especially TV stuff here in NZ  or do you work for a media company that like to tie everything up here so that the likes of Netflix  won't operate here??


Just because there is no legal way , (by the way there is its called going to JBHIFI and buying the DVD), does not make it ok to illegally download it.


 

I guess you also believe it's piracy if the I buy  region free DVD player to play DVDs and Blu-rays from Amazon and the like or give away the free DVD copy that came with my Blu-ray  movie to someone else..




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Reply # 571809 22-Jan-2012 09:14 Send private message


www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGo5bxWy21g 

The Wire - Welcome to the New Day Co-Op


"You taking minutes on a criminal conspiracy?"  Which is kinda like the emails listed in the indictment

Love that show.

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  Reply # 571814 22-Jan-2012 09:30 Send private message

old3eyes:
KiwiNZ:
old3eyes:
KiwiNZ: Even if the pirated material was offered by the rights holders for $1 the downloaders would still want it for nothing. Quite disgusting really.


 

How do you know that??  Haven't you read on this board the endless threads about no legal way to get content especially TV stuff here in NZ  or do you work for a media company that like to tie everything up here so that the likes of Netflix  won't operate here??


Just because there is no legal way , (by the way there is its called going to JBHIFI and buying the DVD), does not make it ok to illegally download it.


 

I guess you also believe it's piracy if the I buy  region free DVD player to play DVDs and Blu-rays from Amazon and the like or give away the free DVD copy that came with my Blu-ray  movie to someone else..


He's talking about downloading a movie without you or anyone else paying for it.

You are talking about a DVD that you purchased.

Doesn't matter if it comes from the US or came free with a Blu-Ray, it's been paid for and the owner has received some monetary compensation.

Two completely different things.

In relation to obtaining a Netflix or US itunes account from NZ it isn't illegal as far as I am aware. The content is still being paid for. Sure you are circumventing their restrictions but they are still being paid for supplying the service.

Personally I don't buy into the argument that just because some online content is not available in NZ it then becomes OK to download it from a torrent.

We live in a great country that has a lot going for it. Availability or lack thereof of some products digital and otherwise is a small price to pay.

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  Reply # 571817 22-Jan-2012 09:48 Send private message

Just read an article on Stuff about Kim Dotcom.

It mentions this, "Internet NZ is against proposed anti-piracy laws in the United States. The laws are aimed at stopping websites that allow the exchange of copyright material, which is why Megaupload.com was shut down by authorities."

Does this mean that Internet NZ supports websites that exchange copyright material???


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  Reply # 571819 22-Jan-2012 10:08 Send private message

tdgeek: 

Does this mean that Internet NZ supports websites that exchange copyright material???



No. It just means that Stuff have no people left who can write real stories. 

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  Reply # 571820 22-Jan-2012 10:16 Send private message

He has got the best lawyers money can pay for here and in the us so it will be an interesting fight.

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