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  Reply # 582089 15-Feb-2012 22:18 Send private message

marmel:
turnin: I'm going to pretend I didnt see the above SOCA post, It makes me sad. This is government style scaremongering at it's worst.  If you're not with us, you're against us.  I can't wait till they protect programmers like they do musicians


I know it sounds heavy handed but they have been putting similar warnings at the start of videos for years.

What is the solution though? Letting sites distribute music/movies for free isn't a long term option as far as I can see, especially when the site owners are in it to line their own pockets.

Those warnings on DVD's are really annoying because you've paid for the damn thing and then they force you to watch these messages. Imagine if they did that at the start of every album.

The solution is the same as it has always been, providing the content and allowing sharing, and setting up sensible market models.

Back in the cassette days everyone ended up with a few copied items of music they did not own in their collection. Usually from friends and acquaintances attempting to expose them to different musical interests.

If the industry spent as much money advertising digital services as anti-piracy stuff, the artists, the market, and the customers would be far better off.

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  Reply # 582098 15-Feb-2012 22:28 Send private message

gzt:  

If the industry spent as much money advertising digital services as anti-piracy stuff, the artists, the market, and the customers would be far better off.


This I agree with 100% 

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  Reply # 582119 15-Feb-2012 23:44 Send private message

nzlemming: Speaking of other sites,  Glyn Moody reports on Twitter:
OK, for anyone wondering about the http://rnbxclusive.comtakedown, it’s genuine: I’ve just rung SOCA, and they’ve confirmed it…
http://rnbxclusive.com/ if you want to try it but they will record your IP address


They have been arrested for fraud? I thought they ran a website hosting music files?
Was some of the music really stolen, and made available before it was published?
And is copying music a criminal offence in the UK?

It would seem strange for a government agency to make false claims like these.

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  Reply # 582190 16-Feb-2012 09:33 Send private message

The Guardian has a report, as does the Telegraph.

EDIT:
From the Telegraph story:
"Sources say that is because the investigation centres on hacking into music industry accounts and social network sites in order to put up material before it has been released, rather than simply breaching an artist's existing copyright." 

which puts it in a different light from Megaupload.

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  Reply # 582227 16-Feb-2012 10:24 Send private message

nzlemming: The Guardian has a report, as does the Telegraph.

EDIT:
From the Telegraph story:
"Sources say that is because the investigation centres on hacking into music industry accounts and social network sites in order to put up material before it has been released, rather than simply breaching an artist's existing copyright."?

which puts it in a different light from Megaupload.


Still, one would think that a government agency would refrain from making statements on a web page which would bias any jury in a trial. They pretty much just handed the defence a "mistrial" card.

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  Reply # 582238 16-Feb-2012 10:38 Send private message

Unlikely to prejudice any possible proceedings when the only people visiting the site are the ones that have been using it or the few that have picked up on the fact this action has taken place.

Unless it is widely reported in mainstream media I can't see it making any difference at all.

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  Reply # 582243 16-Feb-2012 10:41 Send private message

marmel:

Unless it is widely reported in mainstream media I can't see it making any difference at all.


I think bothe the Guardian and the Telegraph can fairly be considered as "mainstream media"  ;-) 

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  Reply # 582264 16-Feb-2012 11:11 Send private message

nzlemming:
marmel:

Unless it is widely reported in mainstream media I can't see it making any difference at all.


I think bothe the Guardian and the Telegraph can fairly be considered as "mainstream media" ?;-)?


But think about any significant crime and how much airtime it would get compared to this.

Even with major media coverage it is very rare for it to be considered prejudicial to any possible legal process.

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  Reply # 582521 16-Feb-2012 19:18 Send private message

marmel:
Brendan: Fascists. I look only with disgust at their above unsubstantiated claims and just know they are in the pay of the industry, not the people.


I think they would know if artists material was being downloaded illegally from the site so it's not really unsubstantiated.


I wouldn't know and neither do you.

Also remember that artists are "people" as well and deserve to have some form of control of their work and to be compensated accordingly.    


Then you should support the destruction of the record companies.

Next. 

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  Reply # 582526 16-Feb-2012 19:25 Send private message

marmel: Unlikely to prejudice any possible proceedings when the only people visiting the site are the ones that have been using it or the few that have picked up on the fact this action has taken place.

Unless it is widely reported in mainstream media I can't see it making any difference at all.


Are you a stakeholder in copyright law or enforcement?

It sure seems like it.

 

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  Reply # 582611 16-Feb-2012 22:52 Send private message

Brendan:
marmel: Unlikely to prejudice any possible proceedings when the only people visiting the site are the ones that have been using it or the few that have picked up on the fact this action has taken place.

Unless it is widely reported in mainstream media I can't see it making any difference at all.


Are you a stakeholder in copyright law or enforcement?

It sure seems like it.

 


My view is fairly simple. If you want to download music or a movie that costs money via normal legal channels then I think you should pay for it, just like if you went to a store and made a purchase. 

Whether you should pay less taking into account there's no physical production cost as such is another argument. 

So no I don't have any stake in copyright law or enforcement but I just think even if you don't agree with music companies or copyright at all it doesnt give you the right to go out and download material for free.

So I agree with sites that allow such practices being shut down. Maybe something else will rise from the ashes ashes that will make both sides happy but I doubt it. It's apparent from this thread that some people just think they have a right to download anything on the internet for free regardless of what it is.

And no I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular its just a general statement about some of the replies throughout the thread. 

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  Reply # 585051 22-Feb-2012 11:11 Send private message

Kim Dotcom granted bail " after new evidence came to light."

I wonder what is known now about this case?





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  Reply # 585126 22-Feb-2012 12:29 Send private message

I will laugh myself silly if he now buggers off to Germany, which does not extradite its citizens to the US.

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  Reply # 585183 22-Feb-2012 14:39 Send private message

well the previous bail decision seemed a little circular to me.

My kansans translation left me with the feeling that was judged a flight risk.. because he's a flight risk...



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  Reply # 585187 22-Feb-2012 14:41 Send private message

freitasm: Kim Dotcom granted bail " after new evidence came to light."

I wonder what is known now about this case?



That he does not have access to secret cash reserves.

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