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  Reply # 571358 20-Jan-2012 17:11 Send private message

Brendan:
codyc1515:
Brendan: The Yanks should not be allowed to enforce THEIR laws in OUR jurisdiction. They were not voted in, and they can F-off.

United States of the World?


In their perverted wet dreams maybe...
 

Wake up from the dream world...

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  Reply # 571359 20-Jan-2012 17:13 Send private message

Be interesting to see if they paid tax on their earnings as well.

Whatever you do you don't want to screw with the IRS. 

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  Reply # 571364 20-Jan-2012 17:24 Send private message

Brendan

2. The Yanks should not be allowed to enforce THEIR laws in OUR jurisdiction. They were not voted in, and they can F-off.



It's not their laws. It's based on international agreements

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_international_copyright_agreements







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  Reply # 571365 20-Jan-2012 17:26 Send private message

marmel: Be interesting to see if they paid tax on their earnings as well.

Whatever you do you don't want to screw with the IRS. 


I think you mean the IRD?

Which from what I've seen looks like they have filed their correct tax forms

If you check on the legal documents, they have hte names of the companies.  
Put them into companies.govt.nz and check them all out, has the full addresses of the mansions too

Not sure how much longer they'll be up there, as most are pulled within 24 hours of a high profile court case 




I have moved across the ditch.  Now residing in Melbourne as a VOIP/Video Technical Trainer/Engineer. 

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  Reply # 571367 20-Jan-2012 17:29 Send private message

vinnieg:
marmel: Be interesting to see if they paid tax on their earnings as well.

Whatever you do you don't want to screw with the IRS. 


I think you mean the IRD?

Which from what I've seen looks like they have filed their correct tax forms

If you check on the legal documents, they have hte names of the companies.  
Put them into companies.govt.nz and check them all out, has the full addresses of the mansions too

Not sure how much longer they'll be up there, as most are pulled within 24 hours of a high profile court case 

Whats the company name?

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  Reply # 571371 20-Jan-2012 17:37 Send private message

vinnieg:
marmel: Be interesting to see if they paid tax on their earnings as well.

Whatever you do you don't?want to screw with the IRS.?


I think you mean the IRD?

Which from what I've seen looks like they have filed their correct tax forms

If you check on the legal documents, they have hte names of the companies. ?
Put them into companies.govt.nz and check them all out, has the full addresses of the mansions too

Not sure how much longer they'll be up there, as most are pulled within 24 hours of a high profile court case?


No I was talking about the IRS. If they get extradited to the us the IRS may want a cut of any revenue earnt there. One of the charges related to money laundering.

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  Reply # 571386 20-Jan-2012 18:37 Send private message

KiwiNZ: 
So if a New Zealand criminal moves to say Australia or the US they are free.?


Sadly, yes.

The alternative is you being subject to the law in countries where you have no right to vote, no legal standing and also requiring you to know every law in every country for the whole world.


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  Reply # 571388 20-Jan-2012 18:42 Send private message

sen8or: But if the person didn't need the product enough to buy it, why then should they just obtain it for free?


Cost versus benefit. Or boredom.


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  Reply # 571390 20-Jan-2012 18:49 Send private message

KiwiNZ: 
If you release said Application under the GPL then that is fine if you don't then you are still saying people are free to take your work free of charge and you live on the DOL?


Are you saying that we should fund some vast bureaucracy tasked with checking everything everyone downloads against some vast database which is itself subject to error in order to protect the billionaire lifestyles of Hollywood executives?

Or are you saying it's time the whole system was over-hauled and brought back to reality?
 

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  Reply # 571391 20-Jan-2012 18:50 Send private message

Brendan:
KiwiNZ: 
So if a New Zealand criminal moves to say Australia or the US they are free.?


Sadly, yes.

The alternative is you being subject to the law in countries where you have no right to vote, no legal standing and also requiring you to know every law in every country for the whole world.



No, it requires you to know the law in countries in which you decide to live. If you move to a country you have an obligation to learn the laws there.

You can decide to commit a crime in country A and then move to a country which does not recognise the laws of country A, think places where they don't recognise any laws as we know them.

The thing is that most reasonable countries recognise each others laws because it stops people escaping to countries where they can get away from the consequences of their actions.

Sure copyright law is broken and then entertainment industry need to figure out a way to deal with online distribution.   

This is not an argument against extradition.  




Didn't anybody tell you I was a hacker?

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  Reply # 571392 20-Jan-2012 18:50 Send private message

sen8or: And open source isn't even an argument.

People who code for open source programs, open office etc do it by choice with the full knownledge that it is for free, there is no expectation of commercial gain (unless through add on components, malware etc). The same can not be said for microsoft etc


That in no way negates my argument and you should try again.
 

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  Reply # 571396 20-Jan-2012 19:01 Send private message

sen8or: 
Also, there are laws to protect "your income", things like minimum wage, compulsary / statutory holidays, minimum working conditions etc, how about we scrap all of those at the same time "cause they are outdated and broken".


That is what we call a "Strawman Argument" - it is where you invent an argument that is weaker than the original, defeat this weaker version, and then claim victory. It is usually persecuted by those who are already defeated in a given debate.

That way I can cut my wage bill in 1/2, have people work everyday of the week, no paid holidays, and if they start to complain or are a crap workers, I can fire them and there be no questions asked. 


You seem very confused about the difference between slavery and copyright law.
 

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  Reply # 571397 20-Jan-2012 19:01 Send private message

codyc1515: John Key will bend over backwards to make sure these guys extradited and keep Obama happy. You could probably bet on it.

No doubt, anything to get another wink towards a free trade agreement.

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  Reply # 571398 20-Jan-2012 19:03 Send private message

codyc1515:
Brendan:
codyc1515:
Brendan: The Yanks should not be allowed to enforce THEIR laws in OUR jurisdiction. They were not voted in, and they can F-off.

United States of the World?


In their perverted wet dreams maybe...
 

Wake up from the dream world...


No need. Only the yanks would be arrogant enough to think they have the means to control the whole world. Their own history points the way.

Enough of this, it's off topic.
 

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  Reply # 571404 20-Jan-2012 19:08 Send private message

crackrdbycracku: The thing is that most reasonable countries recognise each others laws because it stops people escaping to countries where they can get away from the consequences of their actions.

Sure copyright law is broken and then entertainment industry need to figure out a way to deal with online distribution.   

This is not an argument against extradition.  


Yes but why isn't this being trialled in our NZ courts, the people are NZ citizens, living in New Zealand at the time of the alleged offenses, they didn't go to the USA to commit any crime so not sure how or why the US courts should have any jurisdiction on this matter.

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