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  Reply # 600150 26-Mar-2012 11:59 Send private message

I had to swerve around a car last weekend who had jumped the gun by a week and expected me to give way to them when they were turning left. Given that it was in Martinborough, goods odds that they were either a) Drunk or b) Tourists.

Had to give way in the "wrong" direction Sunday morning, took a couple of seconds to work out why people weren't giving away, had to click to the fact that it'd changed about 3 hours prior. No real issues other than feeling like I'm being cut-off every time I have to give way to people in situations where I previously didn't need to.

I might give the insurance company a bell just on spec to make sure everything is up to date, just in case! :)




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  Reply # 600192 26-Mar-2012 12:49 Send private message

What happens in this situation:

if there are cars coming from the right turning left into the street that the red car is in? Obviously, the green car has to give way to them so can the red car go? Or does it have to wait fo the (hypothetical) 10 left turning cars to go, so the green car can go, so the red car can go? Where is this covered in the rules?

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  Reply # 600206 26-Mar-2012 13:00 Send private message

bazzer: What happens in this situation:

if there are cars coming from the right turning left into the street that the red car is in? Obviously, the green car has to give way to them so can the red car go? Or does it have to wait fo the (hypothetical) 10 left turning cars to go, so the green car can go, so the red car can go? Where is this covered in the rules?


If there was oncoming traffic, green car would have been stopped in front on red car.

In this picture, Green car has to only give way to all oncomming "blue" cars, if they turning or not.

Red Car also has to give way to oncomming "blue cars" and the green car.

I have always driven as to never trust an indicator and never to pull out unless you absolutely sure the car is turning. Red car is entering a new road, he must therefore give way to all cars on it.

So if there were turning blue cars, in order of right of way.

Blue cars, green car, and lastly red cars..

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  Reply # 600214 26-Mar-2012 13:10 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
bazzer: What happens in this situation:

if there are cars coming from the right turning left into the street that the red car is in? Obviously, the green car has to give way to them so can the red car go? Or does it have to wait fo the (hypothetical) 10 left turning cars to go, so the green car can go, so the red car can go? Where is this covered in the rules?


If there was oncoming traffic, green car would have been stopped in front on red car.

In this picture, Green car has to only give way to all oncomming "blue" cars, if they turning or not.

Red Car also has to give way to oncomming "blue cars" and the green car.

I have always driven as to never trust an indicator and never to pull out unless you absolutely sure the car is turning. Red car is entering a new road, he must therefore give way to all cars on it.

So if there were turning blue cars, in order of right of way.

Blue cars, green car, and lastly red cars..


That is what is good about the new rules.

If there was a car turning left into the bottom of the 'T' from the top of the 'T' then it would no longer have to worry about stopping to give way to the red car. The green car has to stop to give way to the red car, and must keep giving way till the red car has gone, which will be after the other car has turned left. It should work nice and smoothly.

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  Reply # 600217 26-Mar-2012 13:13 Send private message

bazzer: What happens in this situation:

if there are cars coming from the right turning left into the street that the red car is in? Obviously, the green car has to give way to them so can the red car go? Or does it have to wait fo the (hypothetical) 10 left turning cars to go, so the green car can go, so the red car can go? Where is this covered in the rules?


If you are turning right - give way to EVERYTHING coming towards you regardless as to if they are turning or going straight ahead.

If your road ends (bottom of the T) then you must wait until all other vehicles on the 'top of the T' have gone.  

I accept in your scenario you may be able to make a right turn if you are a red car...but legally you would be in the wrong.

 

 




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  Reply # 600219 26-Mar-2012 13:14 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
bazzer: What happens in this situation:

if there are cars coming from the right turning left into the street that the red car is in? Obviously, the green car has to give way to them so can the red car go? Or does it have to wait fo the (hypothetical) 10 left turning cars to go, so the green car can go, so the red car can go? Where is this covered in the rules?


If there was oncoming traffic, green car would have been stopped in front on red car.

In this picture, Green car has to only give way to all oncomming "blue" cars, if they turning or not.

Red Car also has to give way to oncomming "blue cars" and the green car.

I have always driven as to never trust an indicator and never to pull out unless you absolutely sure the car is turning. Red car is entering a new road, he must therefore give way to all cars on it.

So if there were turning blue cars, in order of right of way.

Blue cars, green car, and lastly red cars..

Agreed that's logical, but it just seems stupid for the red car to be sitting there waiting while all the "blue" cars turn left. I hadn't seen this situation addressed in any of the literature.

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  Reply # 600222 26-Mar-2012 13:16 Send private message

trig42: That is what is good about the new rules.

If there was a car turning left into the bottom of the 'T' from the top of the 'T' then it would no longer have to worry about stopping to give way to the red car. The green car has to stop to give way to the red car, and must keep giving way till the red car has gone, which will be after the other car has turned left. It should work nice and smoothly.


I'm pretty sure you have the colours mixed up there? 

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  Reply # 600223 26-Mar-2012 13:16 Send private message

trig42:
BraaiGuy:
bazzer: What happens in this situation:

if there are cars coming from the right turning left into the street that the red car is in? Obviously, the green car has to give way to them so can the red car go? Or does it have to wait fo the (hypothetical) 10 left turning cars to go, so the green car can go, so the red car can go? Where is this covered in the rules?


If there was oncoming traffic, green car would have been stopped in front on red car.

In this picture, Green car has to only give way to all oncomming "blue" cars, if they turning or not.

Red Car also has to give way to oncomming "blue cars" and the green car.

I have always driven as to never trust an indicator and never to pull out unless you absolutely sure the car is turning. Red car is entering a new road, he must therefore give way to all cars on it.

So if there were turning blue cars, in order of right of way.

Blue cars, green car, and lastly red cars..


That is what is good about the new rules.

If there was a car turning left into the bottom of the 'T' from the top of the 'T' then it would no longer have to worry about stopping to give way to the red car. The green car has to stop to give way to the red car, and must keep giving way till the red car has gone, which will be after the other car has turned left. It should work nice and smoothly.


Not 100% correct I am afraid:

IF there was a car turning left from the 'top of the t' then that would go first (you have that correct), but then the Green car making the right turn would go, and the RED car goes last.  In short if the road in front of you ends, then you give way to everything.

 




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  Reply # 600224 26-Mar-2012 13:16 Send private message

What if the green car wants to move halfway across the intersection at almost the same time directly behind the blue car? It can. It has the right of way over the red car the whole time. It is unsafe for the red car to move.

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  Reply # 600225 26-Mar-2012 13:16 Send private message

bazzer: I hadn't seen this situation addressed in any of the literature.


Top of the T goes before me!



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  Reply # 600229 26-Mar-2012 13:19 Send private message

Anybody know of a website or app that you can quickly drag cars and streets around to create screenshots simular to the NZTA images? Would be good for questions and answers!

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  Reply # 600231 26-Mar-2012 13:21 Send private message

Here's a more in depth explanation for those in the west:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/03/west-auckland-give-way-rules-from-this-weekend/




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  Reply # 600262 26-Mar-2012 13:45 Send private message

gzt: What if the green car wants to move halfway across the intersection at almost the same time directly behind the blue car? It can. It has the right of way over the red car the whole time. It is unsafe for the red car to move.

Aside from the fact that the green car shouldn't enter the intersection unless there's a space on the other side (i.e. intersection blocking rule)?

BraaiGuy:
bazzer: I hadn't seen this situation addressed in any of the literature.
Top of the T goes before me!

I'm well aware of the new rules and the silly slogans, I'm particularly interested in the interplay between the two rules and how this will translate to real world usage. The combination of the two new rules has created a new situation that hasn't existed before. I wouldn't expect the green car to enter the intersection so as to be positioned to immediately follow the "blue" car but I suppose that is what will happen.

Otherwise, I suppose it will be handled in the same way as pulling out of a road across a stationary lane of traffic (the intersection of course will be clear, as above), it's more a common sense/courtesy thing.

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  Reply # 600267 26-Mar-2012 13:55 Send private message

bazzer: The combination of the two new rules has created a new situation that hasn't existed before. I wouldn't expect the green car to enter the intersection so as to be positioned to immediately follow the "blue" car but I suppose that is what will happen.

Otherwise, I suppose it will be handled in the same way as pulling out of a road across a stationary lane of traffic (the intersection of course will be clear, as above), it's more a common sense/courtesy thing.


Remember this same rule is working everywhere else in the world. No new situations created here.



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  Reply # 600270 26-Mar-2012 14:03 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
bazzer: The combination of the two new rules has created a new situation that hasn't existed before. I wouldn't expect the green car to enter the intersection so as to be positioned to immediately follow the "blue" car but I suppose that is what will happen.

Otherwise, I suppose it will be handled in the same way as pulling out of a road across a stationary lane of traffic (the intersection of course will be clear, as above), it's more a common sense/courtesy thing.
 
Remember this same rule is working everywhere else in the world. No new situations created here.

OK, "that hasn't existed here before". So in your international driving experience, the red car just sits there waiting for everyone else to go? The green car doesn't let them go out of courtesy while they're waiting for all the "blue" cars? 

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