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  Reply # 600280 26-Mar-2012 14:25 Send private message

scottjpalmer:
trig42: That is what is good about the new rules.

If there was a car turning left into the bottom of the 'T' from the top of the 'T' then it would no longer have to worry about stopping to give way to the red car. The green car has to stop to give way to the red car, and must keep giving way till the red car has gone, which will be after the other car has turned left. It should work nice and smoothly.


I'm pretty sure you have the colours mixed up there? 


oops. My bad.

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  Reply # 600294 26-Mar-2012 14:48 Send private message

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OK, "that hasn't existed here before". So in your international driving experience, the red car just sits there waiting for everyone else to go? The green car doesn't let them go out of courtesy while they're waiting for all the "blue" cars? 




Yes thats exactly how it works. The red car waits and waits and waits...

But sometimes, if traffic is really heavy the green car will leave a space for the red car and signal to him that he can go. This will often happen if there is a backup behind the green car (more green cars). One of the green cars may be polite and choose not to roll forward and allow the red to go. But it never happens if there is not much traffic on the road.


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  Reply # 600298 26-Mar-2012 14:58 Send private message

Without copying the same picture again...

You have to remember that this scenario is for an 'uncontrolled' intersection. Yes there are some around but for the most part where the above scenario presents itself the "red" car would be faced with a give way or stop sign, the driver thereby having to comply with the sign and stay put until the way is clear.

Watch out if someone else signals you to go or leaves space, they well have the best of intentions but at the end of the day it's your neck on the line if it turn pear-shaped.




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  Reply # 600349 26-Mar-2012 16:11 Send private message

scuwp: Without copying the same picture again...

You have to remember that this scenario is for an 'uncontrolled' intersection. Yes there are some around but for the most part where the above scenario presents itself the "red" car would be faced with a give way or stop sign, the driver thereby having to comply with the sign and stay put until the way is clear.

Watch out if someone else signals you to go or leaves space, they well have the best of intentions but at the end of the day it's your neck on the line if it turn pear-shaped.

Not sure it makes any difference if it's a give way or not, does it? In either case the red car has to give way to the same cars, right? Even if you're at a give way you don't have to give way to the "blue" left turning cars, surely? There are plenty of uncontrolled Ts in the 'burbs where I live.

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  Reply # 600531 27-Mar-2012 02:03 Send private message

Under the old rules where the green car gave way to red, and blue gave way to green, blue could slip around the corner as the red made it's turn.
Or, if red was following blue and overtook it at the intersection, blue could slip around the comer there too

Same deal with the new rules. Red may go if the green car can't go anywhere. Although I wouldn't risk it unless there was a continuous stream of blue cars

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  Reply # 600537 27-Mar-2012 07:59 Send private message

HamletUnicorn:Same deal with the new rules. Red may go if the green car can't go anywhere. Although I wouldn't risk it unless there was a continuous stream of blue cars

That is wrong. It is not the same. If the green car waves you through, then ok. Otherwise the red car may not go.

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  Reply # 600543 27-Mar-2012 08:21 Send private message

HamletUnicorn: Under the old rules where the green car gave way to red, and blue gave way to green, blue could slip around the corner as the red made it's turn.
Or, if red was following blue and overtook it at the intersection, blue could slip around the comer there too

Same deal with the new rules. Red may go if the green car can't go anywhere. Although I wouldn't risk it unless there was a continuous stream of blue cars


You can give it a try, but hopefully not around me.  Rule clearly states that the car on the terminating road (bottom of the T) must give way to all other vehicles.  I am sure there are scenarios where this may be possible, but be warned it is illegal.

[(4) A driver on a terminating road who is approaching or crossing a T-intersection must give way to a vehicle on the continuing road,
including a vehicle turning or about to turn right into the terminating road.]
 




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  Reply # 600547 27-Mar-2012 08:38 Send private message

You don't seem like a very courteous driver. If you're the green car, you'd rather both yourself and the red car sit there while you're waiting for the blue cars to turn, even though the red car can make its turn without disrupting you?

I suppose you don't let people in or across from side streets in heavier traffic either. That's illegal too, I suspect? They should really wait until the road is clear I suppose.



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  Reply # 600551 27-Mar-2012 08:47 Send private message

You may think its the courteous thing (as the driver at the top of the T) to do but would you take responsibility for all other drivers around you?

Are you sure no cars are coming from behind you? Are you sure none of the cars turning in front of you arent going to change their mind?

As the driver pulling out of the intersection, can you make that same judgement call about all the cars around you safely?

Patience always trumps courteous......

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  Reply # 601344 28-Mar-2012 15:17 Send private message

So, after all the predications about chaos reigning following the change,  has anyone been involved in or witnessed any accidents caused by the rule change? :)  I must say I'm surprised at how little I've had to apply it. And I personally haven't even spotted any real "near misses" - sure I've seen a number of people who obviously don't know\forget and there's a bit of a toot from one party or the other, but generally most people who do remember are erring on the side of caution so no real issues.


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  Reply # 662360 26-Jul-2012 13:32 Send private message


Having given it a few months to grow on me, I have now determined that it is now considerably slower for me to turn than it used to be and that I very much dislike waiting when the old way of doing things made much more sense and allowed traffic to flow more smoothly.

I know other countries use it, but other countries use imperial too and does this mean we should drop our forward thinking methods and go back to the dark ages just because everyone else does too ?

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  Reply # 662362 26-Jul-2012 13:36 Send private message

Have you considered optimizing your routes using an anti-clockwise bias? ; ).

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  Reply # 662364 26-Jul-2012 13:39 Send private message

Have you considered optimizing your routes using an anti-clockwise bias? ; ).


Not really worth it. 

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  Reply # 662367 26-Jul-2012 13:43 Send private message

I haven't found it "considerably slower to turn than it used to be". Perhaps it depends on traffic flow at the intersections you are using. I have however been tempted to turn right when I should give way to someone turning left.

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  Reply # 662368 26-Jul-2012 13:43 Send private message

networkn:
Having given it a few months to grow on me, I have now determined that it is now considerably slower for me to turn than it used to be and that I very much dislike waiting when the old way of doing things made much more sense and allowed traffic to flow more smoothly.


Well I find exactly the opposite that traffic flows much better now.  I guess it depends on the way you're going.

As gzt says sometimes you need to plan to avoid right turns.




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