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  Reply # 662370 26-Jul-2012 13:44 Send private message

gzt: Have you considered optimizing your routes using an anti-clockwise bias? ; ).


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  Reply # 662374 26-Jul-2012 13:46 Send private message

geek4me: I haven't found it "considerably slower to turn than it used to be". Perhaps it depends on traffic flow at the intersections you are using. I have however been tempted to turn right when I should give way to someone turning left.


Yes I often wonder how much of a gap would be considered too small. If there is a car indicating they are going to turn left and I can get around well before them, I wonder what would happen if a cop saw it. Anyone know if there is a guideline around this? Mostly the reason I don't is that I worry that the indicating car may think I have forgotten the rules and be upset. 





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  Reply # 662376 26-Jul-2012 13:47 Send private message

Last week on a busy road I was turning  right and the woman turning left.  I thought okay she turns left and I can zip in behind her before the next lot of cars come.  So I wait for her to turn left and am getting ready to zip behind her.  What does she do. She stops.  So I end up being stuck for almost 4 minutes before another gap arises.  Why oh why didnt she just turn like she was supposed to.




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  Reply # 662386 26-Jul-2012 13:56 Send private message

Gilco2: Last week on a busy road I was turning  right and the woman turning left.  I thought okay she turns left and I can zip in behind her before the next lot of cars come.  So I wait for her to turn left and am getting ready to zip behind her.  What does she do. She stops.  So I end up being stuck for almost 4 minutes before another gap arises.  Why oh why didnt she just turn like she was supposed to.


I had the opposite with 2 right turning services vehicles ignore the new rules. I was turning left off a stop sign and had right of way so in a gap I quickly started to go - only to have both vans shoot across in front of me. I had to break, get abused by the second vehicle (who'd run a stop sign to do this) and then back out of the flow of traffic that had turned up by that stage! Wish I'd had the time to grab a business name or plates of the vans!

I've found a few drivers lately who seem to have forgotten the new rule, but in general it does work well. Sometime I get stuck turning right, but not usually for too long.

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  Reply # 662388 26-Jul-2012 13:57 Send private message

most people around here have been very courteous and hesitant . Problem is they are doing this but its causing delays. Avoid strings for they big navigation api s only work in built up areas.

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  Reply # 662401 26-Jul-2012 14:14 Send private message

networkn:
does this mean we should drop our forward thinking methods and go back to the dark ages just because everyone else does too ?


In this case, yes.




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  Reply # 662432 26-Jul-2012 15:15 Send private message

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geek4me: I haven't found it "considerably slower to turn than it used to be". Perhaps it depends on traffic flow at the intersections you are using. I have however been tempted to turn right when I should give way to someone turning left.
 
Yes I often wonder how much of a gap would be considered too small. If there is a car indicating they are going to turn left and I can get around well before them, I wonder what would happen if a cop saw it. Anyone know if there is a guideline around this? Mostly the reason I don't is that I worry that the indicating car may think I have forgotten the rules and be upset.  

I think you're fine. It's no different to turning right against oncoming traffic as long as there's sufficient gap.

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  Reply # 662437 26-Jul-2012 15:22 Send private message

networkn: Mostly the reason I don't is that I worry that the indicating car may think I have forgotten the rules and be upset.


You mean like this:

Crying car

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  Reply # 662438 26-Jul-2012 15:23 Send private message

Exactly like that. Obviously I used car when I meant driver.

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  Reply # 662462 26-Jul-2012 15:47 Send private message

networkn:
Having given it a few months to grow on me, I have now determined that it is now considerably slower for me to turn than it used to be and that I very much dislike waiting when the old way of doing things made much more sense and allowed traffic to flow more smoothly.

I know other countries use it, but other countries use imperial too and does this mean we should drop our forward thinking methods and go back to the dark ages just because everyone else does too ?


having grown up with the left turn first way I would disagree, but to be honest I turn left mostly from uncontrolled intersections. 

The biggest thing I notice is that you are far less likely to get into an accident due to someone not indicating now than before.





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  Reply # 662466 26-Jul-2012 15:51 Send private message

dickytim:

The biggest thing I notice is that you are far less likely to get into an accident due to someone not indicating now than before.



Or when you're indicating to go left into the service station driveway 5m AFTER the corner, and the jackass coming the other way assumes they have right of way and casually tries to turn right in front of you as you drive straight ahead through the intersection.

That's my personal fav. near miss directly attributable to the execrable previous rule.




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  Reply # 662492 26-Jul-2012 16:33 Send private message

networkn:
Have you considered optimizing your routes using an anti-clockwise bias? ; ).


Not really worth it. 

Have you given up before you've even tried???

I'm a 1.5km drive from the office to the Mall/mailbox/coffee-shop. This should be no more than a 5min drive each way ( 1 set of lights -I turn left at- and sometimes a stop for a train). It can take 10-15mins to come back via the same route now, since the rule change.
But I've found that if I modify my route by 200metres and take a left turn followed by a couple of rights, to get back on the crossroad with the lights and be straight thru traffic, then I'm close to the same outbound travel time. OK so the route maybe 12% longer but it takes me less time and fuel.  

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  Reply # 662516 26-Jul-2012 17:28 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
dickytim:

The biggest thing I notice is that you are far less likely to get into an accident due to someone not indicating now than before.



Or when you're indicating to go left into the service station driveway 5m AFTER the corner, and the jackass coming the other way assumes they have right of way and casually tries to turn right in front of you as you drive straight ahead through the intersection.

That's my personal fav. near miss directly attributable to the execrable previous rule.


umm You should not be indicating before an intersection when you planning on going straight through it. What do you expect? Indicate after the intersection.

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  Reply # 662541 26-Jul-2012 18:14 Send private message

he does have a point, or did you word that wrong, indicate to turn into the servo after the intersection, the jackass guy does not know you need cigarettes.

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  Reply # 662568 26-Jul-2012 19:09 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
umm You should not be indicating before an intersection when you planning on going straight through it. What do you expect? Indicate after the intersection.



I take it you missed the '5m' part. Possibly enough distance to complete the motion of turning on the indicator, definitely not enough for more than a blink.

It was a dumb rule, it's a good thing it's gone.




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