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  Reply # 583998 20-Feb-2012 16:14 Send private message

1080p: This rule change makes sense. The current system is illogical.


The worst thing about the current rule is that both parties, the left turner and the right turner, both need to correctly anticipate the actions of a third party: the person driving up behind the left turner - will he wait behind the left turner, or will he overtake?

The other turning rule is even better to be getting rid of: when a person turning right out of a sidestreet has priority of the the person turing left into the side street.  In the four years I've been in NZ I've never had a single person turning right into my side street give way, Is there a single driver in NZ who obeys it?  I stopped obeying it after about a week.


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  Reply # 583999 20-Feb-2012 16:15 Send private message

reven:
kiwitrc:
reven: personally i think its stupid, the give way to right helps traffic, the person turning across always has to wait, and now they will have to wait longer.

my work is on great south road (very busy road), i turn right into my building, i have to wait until an empty spot and there are always a few cars turning left into my building, now ill have to wait for all them to turn in and then by the time that finished the lights will have changed and i will have to wait for another gap to turn into my building.

what idiot decided to change this rule?


Thats what everyone said when it changed in 1977


but the current system does help traffic flow, if you look at all those examples on the govt page, the person who will have to give way come 25th May will have to wait longer, the person who will now have right of way would not have a problem with traffic when turning, they dont need to wait a long time for a gap in the traffic. thats why the current system is good.

EDIT: im not saying the change is confusing or hard to follow, im just saying the old system had more a big benefit.  and it was easy to remember, "always give way to right", simple. 


I am sure you can find pros and cons to both rules, having driven under both rules, both here and overseas, the rule coming in on the 25th is much more logical to drive under, and from the stats provided when Victoria went back to the old rule, much safer. Its probably hard to get your head around if you have never experienced it.

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  Reply # 584000 20-Feb-2012 16:16 Send private message

reven:
but the current system does help traffic flow, if you look at all those examples on the govt page, the person who will have to give way come 25th May will have to wait longer, the person who will now have right of way would not have a problem with traffic when turning, they dont need to wait a long time for a gap in the traffic. thats why the current system is good.


But nobody obeys the current rules, or at least vary rarely.

Here is the current rule, red car has right of way - who does that?



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  Reply # 584001 20-Feb-2012 16:16 Send private message

I look at the current system this way - if there was to be an accident, whose drivers-side gets hit? If the answer is "yours" - then you give way. Seems like a good way of reducing potential self-injury.

So are we just changing back to cater for foreigners who get confused?




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  Reply # 584002 20-Feb-2012 16:18 Send private message

SpookyAwol:

This one for example, has been the norm in practice for some time.

The  current rule should allow the red car to go first. It never worked in practice though. At least now its official in the new rules.

I have never seen the green car give way under current rules. Most dont even know that rule exists......


Just saw your post now - Good example.
Either people need to follow the current rule 100% or scrap it



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  Reply # 584003 20-Feb-2012 16:18 Send private message

stevenz: I look at the current system this way - if there was to be an accident, whose drivers-side gets hit? If the answer is "yours" - then you give way. Seems like a good way of reducing potential self-injury.

So are we just changing back to cater for foreigners who get confused?


Thats the part that worries me. Ive always trained my mind to give way to the right. If im gonna get hit that side, its going to hurt.

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  Reply # 584004 20-Feb-2012 16:19 Send private message

In my experience it seems that currently about 50% of people don't know (or choose to ignore) the current give way to your right rule at T-junctions (without give way signs).
I guess this rule change will help them, and hopefully the 50% who understand the current rule are the smart ones and are able to adapt 9and we all live happily ever after.....)


Edit: sorry, I'm a slow typist.  Braaiguy's post two up from this one illustrates what I'm talking about







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  Reply # 584007 20-Feb-2012 16:21 Send private message

The biggest car (truck) wins? :-)

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  Reply # 584009 20-Feb-2012 16:22 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
reven:
but the current system does help traffic flow, if you look at all those examples on the govt page, the person who will have to give way come 25th May will have to wait longer, the person who will now have right of way would not have a problem with traffic when turning, they dont need to wait a long time for a gap in the traffic. thats why the current system is good.


But nobody obeys the current rules, or at least vary rarely.

Here is the current rule, red car has right of way - who does that?




The problem with this one is that If I am in blue car, i Try follow this rule. I check to see if there is a stop/yield sign for the red car, if not he has right of way.

Why should I be checking if h has a stop/yield sign? I need to be concentrating on possibly looking for pedestrians or cyclists etc..

If I am in red car, I never expect to have right of way

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  Reply # 584014 20-Feb-2012 16:36 Send private message

The new rules do make it easier for people to move to oz, without learning their road rules.

People now don't drive to the road rules, so I don't think it is going to make that much difference.

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  Reply # 584015 20-Feb-2012 16:38 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
BraaiGuy:
reven:
but the current system does help traffic flow, if you look at all those examples on the govt page, the person who will have to give way come 25th May will have to wait longer, the person who will now have right of way would not have a problem with traffic when turning, they dont need to wait a long time for a gap in the traffic. thats why the current system is good.


But nobody obeys the current rules, or at least vary rarely.

Here is the current rule, red car has right of way - who does that?




The problem with this one is that If I am in blue car, i Try follow this rule. I check to see if there is a stop/yield sign for the red car, if not he has right of way.

Why should I be checking if h has a stop/yield sign? I need to be concentrating on possibly looking for pedestrians or cyclists etc..

If I am in red car, I never expect to have right of way


I agree. Thought about writing something longer but too confusing.

Jon

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  Reply # 584037 20-Feb-2012 17:09 Send private message

jonherries:
BraaiGuy:
BraaiGuy:
reven:
but the current system does help traffic flow, if you look at all those examples on the govt page, the person who will have to give way come 25th May will have to wait longer, the person who will now have right of way would not have a problem with traffic when turning, they dont need to wait a long time for a gap in the traffic. thats why the current system is good.


But nobody obeys the current rules, or at least vary rarely.

Here is the current rule, red car has right of way - who does that?




The problem with this one is that If I am in blue car, i Try follow this rule. I check to see if there is a stop/yield sign for the red car, if not he has right of way.

Why should I be checking if h has a stop/yield sign? I need to be concentrating on possibly looking for pedestrians or cyclists etc..

If I am in red car, I never expect to have right of way


I agree. Thought about writing something longer but too confusing.

Jon


Yes the red car has the right of way currently. Who does that? Well most people I would expect, as they are the road rules. In practice I have come across some people who don't know the road rules, but most seem to follow that rule.

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  Reply # 584039 20-Feb-2012 17:11 Send private message

jonb: The worst thing about the current rule is that both parties, the left turner and the right turner, both need to correctly anticipate the actions of a third party: the person driving up behind the left turner - will he wait behind the left turner, or will he overtake? 

This :)  If I am turning left in this situation, my ability to go or wait fully depends on something happening behind me, which just doesn't make any sense. 

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  Reply # 584041 20-Feb-2012 17:15 Send private message

SpookyAwol:

This one for example, has been the norm in practice for some time.

The  current rule should allow the red car to go first. It never worked in practice though. At least now its official in the new rules.

I have never seen the green car give way under current rules. Most dont even know that rule exists......



i have given up , as the green car, to give way here, most times the red car driver stares at me wondering why im waiting so as you say most people wont notice , the new laws make more sense as it means you dont turn right into a street unless its all clear, do it now and you hope the person sees you and gives way . i have had more near misses with the way the law is now than the what it used to be and about to go back to

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  Reply # 584049 20-Feb-2012 17:33 Send private message

mattwnz:

Yes the red car has the right of way currently. Who does that? Well most people I would expect, as they are the road rules. In practice I have come across some people who don't know the road rules, but most seem to follow that rule.


The red car has the right of way in theory. But since in Auckland the blue car will turn right without indicating first, the red car can never take advantage of the right.




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