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  Reply # 585709 23-Feb-2012 14:00 Send private message

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reven:
but the current system does help traffic flow, if you look at all those examples on the govt page, the person who will have to give way come 25th May will have to wait longer, the person who will now have right of way would not have a problem with traffic when turning, they dont need to wait a long time for a gap in the traffic. thats why the current system is good.


But nobody obeys the current rules, or at least vary rarely.

Here is the current rule, red car has right of way - who does that?




The problem with this one is that If I am in blue car, i Try follow this rule. I check to see if there is a stop/yield sign for the red car, if not he has right of way.

Why should I be checking if h has a stop/yield sign? I need to be concentrating on possibly looking for pedestrians or cyclists etc..

If I am in red car, I never expect to have right of way


I agree. Thought about writing something longer but too confusing.

Jon


Yes the red car has the right of way currently. Who does that? Well most people I would expect, as they are the road rules. In practice I have come across some people who don't know the road rules, but most seem to follow that rule.


i honestly thought the red card only had right of way if turning out of a ROAD (with no markings).  it looks like its pulling out of a carpark here.


The biggest problem with the above example is most of the time the Red Car would be on a STOP or Give Way sign and have to give way to the blue car. The change to the rules means the Red card has to always give way to the Blue car.




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  Reply # 586870 26-Feb-2012 09:49 Send private message

Give way? But which is my left?
NZ herald link - seriously?

An indication of the problems upcoming changes to the give way rules may prompt on our roads has been revealed in a Herald on Sunday street poll this week - many people don't know their left from their right. 

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SpookyAwol: Give way? But which is my left? 
NZ herald link - seriously? 

An indication of the problems upcoming changes to the give way rules may prompt on our roads has been revealed in a Herald on Sunday street poll this week - many people don't know their left from their right. 


Perhaps quickfire Left Right questions should be part of driving exams???
How ridiculous is this!

 From linked article"Student Brianna Kerridge agreed. "I'm not good with my left and right."
in fairness, she might be a year 2 student!

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  Reply # 586913 26-Feb-2012 13:02 Send private message

SpookyAwol: Give way? But which is my left?
NZ herald link - seriously?

If that's the future of New Zealand the country is doomed.

Actually I wouldn't be worried about the Nanas and Grandads, they were driving when we had the rules we are going back to, I'd be more concerned about the younger drivers who don't know any difference.  

As far as I'm concerned this current give way rule has been around for about 29 years too long.




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  Reply # 586960 26-Feb-2012 15:19 Send private message

jofizz:  From linked article"Student Brianna Kerridge agreed. "I'm not good with my left and right."
in fairness, she might be a year 2 student!
 


I know of a few adults who struggling with knowing left from their right.  It's more common than you think. 




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  Reply # 587030 26-Feb-2012 18:41 Send private message

And those people aren't necessarily mentally challenged either. There seems to be an issue with left/right cognition in people from all walks of life.

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  Reply # 588767 1-Mar-2012 11:17 Send private message

jonb:
1080p: This rule change makes sense. The current system is illogical.


The worst thing about the current rule is that both parties, the left turner and the right turner, both need to correctly anticipate the actions of a third party: the person driving up behind the left turner - will he wait behind the left turner, or will he overtake?



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Add a bicycle lane and it gets even messier. And of course the oncoming right turners who attempt to achieve
"ludicrous speed (go plaid?)" when they see a left turner in the distance.  And with expats\tourists in the mix I can't understand why they didn't change this back years ago.

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  Reply # 588881 1-Mar-2012 14:28 Send private message

The 25th of March cannot arrive soon enough. I nearly got taken out again yesterday by a right turning driver not giving way to through traffic.  Its almost a daily occurrence for me depending which way I use to get home.




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I'm assuming there wasn't really room for the through traffic to get through? So, the right turning traffic (rightly?) assumed that they had the right of way. Just because the through traffic decides to cross the centre line in order to get around you, doesn't give them the right of way in my book.

What is the actual rule? On a narrow two lane road (i.e. only room for one car each direction), if a left turning car has a car behind them going straight (on the assumption of no indication?) does the facing right turning car not have right of way and if not, why not?

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  Reply # 588898 1-Mar-2012 15:00 Send private message

bazzer: I'm assuming there wasn't really room for the through traffic to get through? So, the right turning traffic (rightly?) assumed that they had the right of way. Just because the through traffic decides to cross the centre line in order to get around you, doesn't give them the right of way in my book.

What is the actual rule? On a narrow two lane road (i.e. only room for one car each direction), if a left turning car has a car behind them going straight (on the assumption of no indication?) does the facing right turning car not have right of way and if not, why not?


My rule of thumb, if there is enough space to get around the left turning car, I go around and I have right of way.
If the road is too narrow for me to get past then its a different story.



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  Reply # 588901 1-Mar-2012 15:11 Send private message

Looking forward to the new rule. The existing one is somewhat arbitrary in that a vehicle on a straight through road can achieve right of way turning right into a T by taking a position to the right of vehicles waiting. ie; it depends on relative position. The simple absolute rule will make things safer and more predictable.

The new left turning rule will be problematic. My preference is to introduce the two rules separately months apart. I hope there is TV advertising planned to reduce the impact. Not looking forward to it.

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  Reply # 588971 1-Mar-2012 16:42 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
bazzer: I'm assuming there wasn't really room for the through traffic to get through? So, the right turning traffic (rightly?) assumed that they had the right of way. Just because the through traffic decides to cross the centre line in order to get around you, doesn't give them the right of way in my book.

What is the actual rule? On a narrow two lane road (i.e. only room for one car each direction), if a left turning car has a car behind them going straight (on the assumption of no indication?) does the facing right turning car not have right of way and if not, why not?


My rule of thumb, if there is enough space to get around the left turning car, I go around and I have right of way.
If the road is too narrow for me to get past then its a different story.




 

Not if you cross the center line you don't..




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  Reply # 589004 1-Mar-2012 18:06 Send private message

bazzer: I'm assuming there wasn't really room for the through traffic to get through? So, the right turning traffic (rightly?) assumed that they had the right of way. Just because the through traffic decides to cross the centre line in order to get around you, doesn't give them the right of way in my book.

What is the actual rule? On a narrow two lane road (i.e. only room for one car each direction), if a left turning car has a car behind them going straight (on the assumption of no indication?) does the facing right turning car not have right of way and if not, why not?


Nope, plenty of room for following traffic to pass without crossing the centre line, there is a short left turn bay.  The right turning car comes into conflict with two vehicles, the left turning one and the straight through one.  Fortunately at this very busy intersection the traffic moves relatively slowly and there is time for both cars to stop if the right turning driver decided he/she has right of way when in fact they don't.

The current rule specifically states that all turning traffic at intersections must give way to traffic not turning.

So to answer your question re the narrow road, one could argue that the right turning car does not have right of way as the straight through car has right of way and the left turning car should continue to allow the straight through (non turning car) right of way.  Having said that, the situation of a narrow road doesn't appear to be specifically addressed and could easily be interpreted either way adding the the confusion. 

It has always been my understanding, right or wrongly, that in all situations the following traffic dictated what happened, i.e. the left turning traffic didn't give way if the following traffic was going straight through not matter the width of the road.  There lies the problem with the current rule, people don't indicate when turning left so the driver in front doesn't know they're turning, or the turning driver doesn't bother to use their rear view mirror.




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  Reply # 589444 2-Mar-2012 15:18 Send private message

old3eyes:
BraaiGuy:
bazzer: I'm assuming there wasn't really room for the through traffic to get through? So, the right turning traffic (rightly?) assumed that they had the right of way. Just because the through traffic decides to cross the centre line in order to get around you, doesn't give them the right of way in my book.

What is the actual rule? On a narrow two lane road (i.e. only room for one car each direction), if a left turning car has a car behind them going straight (on the assumption of no indication?) does the facing right turning car not have right of way and if not, why not?


My rule of thumb, if there is enough space to get around the left turning car, I go around and I have right of way.
If the road is too narrow for me to get past then its a different story.




 

Not if you cross the center line you don't..



99% of the time there is more than enough space.



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  Reply # 589445 2-Mar-2012 15:19 Send private message

Give way rule quiz.

Test yourself...

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/traffic/around-nz/new-rule-quiz.html

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