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  Reply # 597370 19-Mar-2012 20:45 Send private message

Thanks for the link BraaiGuy, good to have a think about it. Pleased I got 100%.

I really like the change, just have to be careful for awhile until we all get use to it.

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  Reply # 597372 19-Mar-2012 20:46 Send private message

mrdrifter:
k14:
BraaiGuy:
But nobody obeys the current rules, or at least vary rarely.

Here is the current rule, red car has right of way - who does that?



I know this is an old post but if I am seeing it correctly the red car is pulling out of a shopping centre carpark or the like? My understanding is that this rule is unchanged. Anyone exiting a carpark/driveway etc must give way to all traffic.


The Red Car is technically at an unmarked intersection (doesn't matter if it is an 'actual' road or driveway of some sort) and until the 25 the red car has right of way. From the 25th, the Blue car will have right of way.

Yeah I know the old rule, the street I live on has 2 uncontrolled intersections, the new rule is much better. I guess the above picture is probably very rare, there are plenty of uncontrolled intersections in the smaller towns of NZ but all shopping centre entries/exits have either a stop or give way sign.

Edit: I was mistaken. According to the road code a supermarket entry/exit is still classed as an intersection (I thought it had a different classification) and thus if uncontrolled follows the uncontrolled intersection rules. That just adds further evidence to show how illogical the current rules are. Bring on the change :)

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  Reply # 597483 20-Mar-2012 09:20 Send private message

SpookyAwol:

This one for example, has been the norm in practice for some time.

The  current rule should allow the red car to go first. It never worked in practice though. At least now its official in the new rules.

I have never seen the green car give way under current rules. Most dont even know that rule exists......


What I find is confusing about the new rule is if the intersection above was an uncontrolled crossroad instead of a T intersection (i.e. the red car cold go straight ahead) then (correct me if I'm wrong) the red car would have the right of way whether it went straight ahead or tuned right as then the give way to the right rule would apply. So, one needs to check if it is not a crossroad even with a minor road ahead of the red car. The green car needs to look left to check if there is a road before turning right.

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  Reply # 597488 20-Mar-2012 09:25 Send private message

geek4me:
SpookyAwol:

This one for example, has been the norm in practice for some time.

The  current rule should allow the red car to go first. It never worked in practice though. At least now its official in the new rules.

I have never seen the green car give way under current rules. Most dont even know that rule exists......


What I find is confusing about the new rule is if the intersection above was an uncontrolled crossroad instead of a T intersection (i.e. the red car cold go straight ahead) then (correct me if I'm wrong) the red car would have the right of way whether it went straight ahead or tuned right as then the give way to the right rule would apply. So, one needs to check if it is not a crossroad even with a minor road ahead of the red car. The green car needs to look left to check if there is a road before turning right.


Red car is at the end of its road. It has to yield or stop. Its entering a new road. Green car only yields for oncomming traffic and left turning traffic. Picture this. Green car could be stopped in the road in front of red car (waiting for oncoming and/or left turning traffic), with more cars stopped behind it, blocking the path for red car. Red car never has right of way here.

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  Reply # 597490 20-Mar-2012 09:30 Send private message

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Red car is at the end of its road. It has to yield or stop. Its entering a new road. Green car only yields for oncomming traffic and left turning traffic. Picture this. Green car could be stopped in the road in front of red car (waiting for oncoming and/or left turning traffic), with more cars stopped behind it, blocking the path for red car. Red car never has right of way here.


No no, I was talking about a crossroad where the red car could go ahead or turn right not a T intersection.

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  Reply # 597491 20-Mar-2012 09:32 Send private message


What I've found in this situation right now is the green car is usually a lot more forward than in the picture so the red car (todays rules) can't turn right before the green card anyway unless it wants to smash into the side of the green car.

This particular new rule makes sense 100% and "usually" this is what happens anyway present day..

Also If there is a car behind the stopped green car it will usually pass on the left of the green car and if the red car goes first it could hit the passing car. 

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  Reply # 597496 20-Mar-2012 09:37 Send private message

geek4me:
BraaiGuy:
Red car is at the end of its road. It has to yield or stop. Its entering a new road. Green car only yields for oncomming traffic and left turning traffic. Picture this. Green car could be stopped in the road in front of red car (waiting for oncoming and/or left turning traffic), with more cars stopped behind it, blocking the path for red car. Red car never has right of way here.


No no, I was talking about a crossroad where the red car could go ahead or turn right not a T intersection.


Sorry missunderstood. Thats a difficult one. Depending on the road, the cars on the main road, turning off main road onto smaller roads would probably always get right of way. Cars turning onto main road have to give way.

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  Reply # 597498 20-Mar-2012 09:38 Send private message

I would assume the tributary road on a crossroad would be marked as a give way.

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  Reply # 597500 20-Mar-2012 09:41 Send private message


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  Reply # 597502 20-Mar-2012 09:43 Send private message

BraaiGuy:

Excellent!

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  Reply # 597507 20-Mar-2012 09:47 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
geek4me:
BraaiGuy:
Red car is at the end of its road. It has to yield or stop. Its entering a new road. Green car only yields for oncomming traffic and left turning traffic. Picture this. Green car could be stopped in the road in front of red car (waiting for oncoming and/or left turning traffic), with more cars stopped behind it, blocking the path for red car. Red car never has right of way here.


No no, I was talking about a crossroad where the red car could go ahead or turn right not a T intersection.


Sorry missunderstood. Thats a difficult one. Depending on the road, the cars on the main road, turning off main road onto smaller roads would probably always get right of way. Cars turning onto main road have to give way.


In law there is no such thing as a "main" road or a "minor" road.    

In the event of a completely uncontrolled intersection (very rare if any left now) then the existing give way to the right rule still applies.  The rule has only been changed as it relates to turning vehicles at uncontrolled intersections (i.e. no traffic clights and one or more cars are not governed by Give Way or Stop sign).

 




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  Reply # 597508 20-Mar-2012 09:47 Send private message

BraaiGuy:


I lol'd

I don't see the big issue. Most of it will be common sense (I hope). The only place where there may be confusion is the left turning vehicle remembering it has ROW over a reight turning vehicle if they are both turning into the same road. It is probably the only uncontrolled give way rule most people know (or obey), and it is being reversed.

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  Reply # 597514 20-Mar-2012 09:52 Send private message

scuwp:

In law there is no such thing as a "main" road or a "minor" road.    

In the event of a completely uncontrolled intersection (very rare if any left now) then the existing give way to the right rule still applies.  The rule has only been changed as it relates to turning vehicles at uncontrolled intersections (i.e. no traffic clights and one or more cars are not governed by Give Way or Stop sign).

 


Here is the confusing bit. Have not seen one of these intersections anywhere except for maybe out on a farm in some remote place. Don't think its anything to worry about.



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  Reply # 597516 20-Mar-2012 09:55 Send private message

scuwp:

In law there is no such thing as a "main" road or a "minor" road.    

In the event of a completely uncontrolled intersection (very rare if any left now) then the existing give way to the right rule still applies.  The rule has only been changed as it relates to turning vehicles at uncontrolled intersections (i.e. no traffic clights and one or more cars are not governed by Give Way or Stop sign).

 


This confirms what I said. I agree there are very few uncontrolled intersections these days. But, where they do occur like in small towns, the give way to the right rule still applies so we must beware to avoid the great skid and crash pictures just posted.

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  Reply # 597521 20-Mar-2012 09:58 Send private message

BraaiGuy:
Here is the confusing bit. Have not seen one of these intersections anywhere except for maybe out on a farm in some remote place. Don't think its anything to worry about.





Yes the blue car goes first, even when both the red and blue cars are turning right.

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