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Topic # 113306 13-Jan-2013 03:34 Send private message

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The US Department of Homeland Security urged computer users to disable Oracle's Java software, amplifying security experts' prior warnings to hundreds of millions of consumers and businesses that use it to surf the web.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8171464/Java-Homeland-Security-warning

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  Reply # 743948 13-Jan-2013 06:47 Send private message

I heard this in the car yesterday, in the news bulletin of some FM station - but calling it JavaScript instead of Java.

It's one of life's asymptotes. With each additional news outlet that repeats a story on Java or JavaScript, the probability that one language will be mistaken for the other approaches 1.



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  Reply # 743950 13-Jan-2013 07:49 Send private message

I had disabled this months ago due to security warnings relating to the issue.
However if anyone doesn't know how to deactivate the Plugin in Firefox, Chrome or Safari, then you will find
easy detailed instructions here:
http://techblog.avira.com/2013/01/11/yajze-yet-another-java-zero-day-exploit/en/

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  Reply # 743977 13-Jan-2013 09:31 Send private message

This is interesting: "Java was responsible for 50 per cent of all cyber attacks last year in which hackers broke into computers by exploiting software bugs, according [to the survey by] Kaspersky. That was followed by Adobe Reader, which was involved in 28 per cent of all incidents. Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer were involved in about 3 per cent of incidents, according to the survey"

I cannot find the original source for that but it is surprising that Adobe Reader accounts for 28% of attacks. I avoid installing Adobe Reader on my system for many reasons. Mostly because is not just a reader but actually a whole suite of software when all I want and use is pure PDF functions.

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  Reply # 744011 13-Jan-2013 11:23 Send private message

how do i do it for ie 9 / 10 ?

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  Reply # 744012 13-Jan-2013 11:26 Send private message

Do you *REALLY* need Java installed on your PC? Do you have any software that uses it? If not, then just uninstall the whole thing, not only disable it.

I don't have Java in any of my Windows PCs and not in any of my servers. I haven't had it installed for years now.




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  Reply # 744033 13-Jan-2013 12:13 Send private message

I needed it twice yesterday, and couldn't use it because Apple's blocked it in an extremely poor way (automatically, with no option to re-enable it if you understand the risk). It's scary that Apple has the ability to block any software at will like that!

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  Reply # 744084 13-Jan-2013 15:08 Send private message

freitasm: Do you *REALLY* need Java installed on your PC? Do you have any software that uses it? 


Doesn't CrashPlan use/need it?

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  Reply # 744087 13-Jan-2013 15:52 Send private message

dontpanic42:
freitasm: Do you *REALLY* need Java installed on your PC? Do you have any software that uses it? 


Doesn't CrashPlan use/need it?


No, it doesn't. If CrashPlan needed Java I wouldn't use it. I don't install Java on my PCs and if a software needs Java then I look for an alternative.

I am of the "less is more" line of thought.





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  Reply # 744098 13-Jan-2013 16:32 Send private message

Behodar: I needed it twice yesterday, and couldn't use it because Apple's blocked it in an extremely poor way (automatically, with no option to re-enable it if you understand the risk). It's scary that Apple has the ability to block any software at will like that!


Its part of gatekeeper if it is not signed it will not run. To run non signed java apps you will need to turn off gatekeeper. Not the best option but it will get things working again. Just wish they had done the same as unsigned mac apps where you can right click and option click open.




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  Reply # 744099 13-Jan-2013 16:35 Send private message

Nothing to do with Gatekeeper; I have GK disabled and Java still doesn't run.

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  Reply # 744116 13-Jan-2013 16:44 Send private message

Behodar: Nothing to do with Gatekeeper; I have GK disabled and Java still doesn't run.


Always been an issue with gatekeeper for me I have one java app that is not signed and would only run with GK disabled and the Arduino IDE which is java works all the time.

It could be that Java is not installed as by default it was not installed. However if it is not when you open a java program it will ask if you want to install it, but it may only ask if the application is signed. The first Java app I open is usually the Arduino IDE




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  Reply # 744134 13-Jan-2013 17:44 Send private message

freitasm: Do you *REALLY* need Java installed on your PC? Do you have any software that uses it? If not, then just uninstall the whole thing, not only disable it.

I don't have Java in any of my Windows PCs and not in any of my servers. I haven't had it installed for years now.


Unfortunately the Citrix NetScaler interface requires Java, otherwise I wouldn't install java

I believe Citrix are slowly migrating the gui to html5 anyway which ended up breaking IE functionality

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  Reply # 744291 13-Jan-2013 22:11 Send private message

Apparently some UK banks have a requirement for using Java for online banking, credit card verification etc.

Anyone know if there's any truth to this, and have any experience with it?

Reference:
https://twitter.com/oakinger/status/290380993158848512

Crap, I've just realised that I've uninstalled Java, and now I can't play Minecraft. (Not Sarcasm)

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  Reply # 744297 13-Jan-2013 22:26 Send private message

No idea. Might be a product of the Java misunderstanding. Java is not Javascript. Javascript is not Java.

Can't play minecraft lol. That kind of revelation will be spreading around the world at lightspeed ; ). Minecraft have a linux client so a Minecraft linux client VM is a good solution for that one.

Edit: On the other hand the Java exploit in the news requires a browser plugin. Disable the browser plugin for every browser on your system and even with Java installed on your system you are not vulnerable to that exploit.

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  Reply # 744607 14-Jan-2013 15:31 Send private message

freitasm: Do you *REALLY* need Java installed on your PC? Do you have any software that uses it? If not, then just uninstall the whole thing, not only disable it.


On my home pc, OpenOffice/LibreOffice. If (like me) you have a webOS phone or Tablet, then mostly likely you have WebOS Quick Installer and if you brick your webOS device, then you need webOS Doctor to fix it. I believe the LibreOffice people are working on removing the Java dependency, but they aren't there yet. Some people use Eclipse for development and not just for Java development either. I don't have that one installed on my main home pc at the moment, but think I still might have it installed on another machine that my son used for his Uni work.

On my work pc I have too many to mention. Quite a lot of applications target multiple platforms and the developer doesn't want to write a different one for Windows, Linux, OSX, Solaris...

freitasm: not in any of my servers. I haven't had it installed for years now.


But you would have java if you had a server with something like an Oracle RDBMS or IBM WebSphere. In any case it would appear that the attack mechanism requires a browser, so perhaps the real question is, why even have a web browser on a server?

So the answer is yes, I *REALLY* need Java installed on my home pc. I also need it on my work pc and I work with servers with Oracle and WebSphere, so I need it there too.





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