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Topic # 90543 23-Sep-2011 20:43 Send private message

Hey guys,
I've been thinking about buying a new monitor and thought I'd ask you guys for your opinions as I've never actually bought a monitor new.
Currently I'm looking at one of these: 
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=15229
But if anyone knows of any better monitors at a similar price that'd be great :)
Requirements are: - 24 inch - 1920x1080 - bezels as thin as possible (Will be using it in eyefinity with two 17" monitors) - preferably $300 or less but I may make an exception if you guys know of something especcially good :)
Thanks

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  Reply # 525196 23-Sep-2011 21:41 Send private message

Go IPS! It's 23" and $369 but it's one of the best monitors out there. Dell has specials every now and then as well so check on Monday again. Might be discounted. If you are a student or work for a big size company then you can get 15% off dell monitors using an EPP code which will be given to you by your organization if they have such a deal with Dell that is .

http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=nz&cs=nzdhs1&l=en&s=dhs&sku=230-12158&redire...






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  Reply # 525199 23-Sep-2011 21:53 Send private message

How much of a difference would I notice between the Dell monitor and the original one I linked? Does IPS really make that much of a difference?
I dont think I'm that fussy when it comes to monitors as I'm used to using older second hander LCD's

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  Reply # 525222 24-Sep-2011 07:44 Send private message

For what it's worth, I have the Dell 2311H (Earlier model to the one mentioned above, just a year older), and I am happy with it. I think it cost me $470 from PB Tech. It has a hard coat on the screen, so cleaning the screen is safer, and I love the flexibility of the stand (Tilts, swivels, height adjustment etc). It's an IPS panel, and is sharp, and bright. I remain happy that I purchased it. My use is general internet type, not gaming. My only regret, is that I should have opted for the 24" version.

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  Reply # 525234 24-Sep-2011 08:40 Send private message

I actually have both the Asus VE248H and the 24 inch version of the dell that is linked, the U2412M. I had the Asus first and liked it, thought the colours were great and had no complaints. I bought the dell and thought that was good to. I then started using them side by side on the same computer and there is an obvious difference. The colours on the dell are better and makes the Asus look a little washed out.

I have tried adjusting the colours on the Asus but the dell always looks better, I presume this is to do with the type of panel IPS vs TN. It is only really when you have them side by side that you can notice the difference though, up to that point I no complaints with the Asus.

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  Reply # 525244 24-Sep-2011 09:48 Send private message

http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=14872
Very happy with my ViewSonic, but the bezel might be a bit wide for you. Colours are crisp. Viewing angle in any direction for a good picture is around +/- 45 degrees.

Just a note on contrast ration, as it fits in with finding a new LCD. The human eye can see about a million levels but can distinguish only 100 at any one time. Five years ago an average panel would do 10:1 and a good panel 20:1 at a normal viewing distance with ambient light, but no one in his right mind will ever advertise that spec (although it is the only truly useful spec). The specs you used to see of around 300:1 is in a black-out room measured on the panel surface, and is given in engineering data sheets. The dynamic specs of say 30 000:1 is the useless theoretical max for a microsecond just like PMPO for sound systems. The US military use 3:1 as the minimum required with ambient lighting for user interfaces (obviously not video but the likes of fighter planes). Most product you will use all the time you should test drive before you buy and compare side-by-side.




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  Reply # 525271 24-Sep-2011 11:45 Send private message

Tanks for the replies. Ok so I've just see this one aswell:
http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=nz&cs=nzdhs1&l=en&s=dhs&sku=230-11732&redire...
I know it's not an IPS panel but it is 24" instead of 23".
Anyone used one of these before?

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  Reply # 525318 24-Sep-2011 13:18

RealityClash: Tanks for the replies. Ok so I've just see this one aswell:
http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=nz&cs=nzdhs1&l=en&s=dhs&sku=230-11732&redire...
I know it's not an IPS panel but it is 24" instead of 23".
Anyone used one of these before?


 

I would only get a dell if it is one of their ultrasharp ones. I have a 24 inch dell ultrasharp which I think is either an IPS or PVA one, and it has a very good picture and colour and viewing angles, and the brightness is uniform. The cheap ones tened not to have those features. As monitor models change so quickly it is hard for anyone who hasn't just purchased one, to recommend one, but I think you get what you pay for. I think you want to av oid the cheap TN ones if you ca



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  Reply # 525341 24-Sep-2011 15:20 Send private message

Hmm I think I'm going to go with the 23" IPS monitor as several people now have said that 24" model isn't too great for gaming.

BTW does anyone have links to photos or videos comparing the colour quality of TN and IPS panels?

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  Reply # 525375 24-Sep-2011 17:27 Send private message

TN vs. IPS is only part of it. Much more important is the various filters and other layers they use. You need to test it in the typical environment you will be using it. I design products with sunlight readable LCDs, these days the difference is not so much in the technology but rather in the proprietary/secret mix of optics. We use TN for cost reasons but starting to look at IPS for viewing angle.

TN supports only 18 bit colour while IPS is better when you do photo rendering and graphics etc. IPS is not new, it was developed 15 years ago by Hitachi. It took a while to sort out the slow response.

Going LED backlit is much more important than TN vs. IPS.




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  Reply # 525381 24-Sep-2011 17:48 Send private message

Hmm this sure is a lot more confusing than I was expecting it to be :P
I think I'll just go with the U2312HM and be done with it as it seems to be the most reccommended and I'm not going to have a chance to test any of these out before I buy.

Thanks for all the help everyone :)

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  Reply # 528947 4-Oct-2011 11:48 Send private message

Hey guys,
Sorry to throw the thread on a tangent but what do people think about using cheap TVs as monitors? I see JB Hifi is selling this model quite cheap:

http://www.jbhifi.co.nz/tv-lcd-led-plasma/sony/bravia-32-inch-full-hd-lcd-tv-sku-22678/

Its 1080p and has built in speakers which are both major bonuses. I realize the picture quality may not be as good as other monitors but do you think it will be a major issue. I play games such as counter strike source, battlefield 2, gta4 and now bf3. I have been using an older Viewsonic 19" 1280x1024 up until now but it has a 2ms response time and is about 6 years old.





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  Reply # 528980 4-Oct-2011 12:25 Send private message

Be cautious! I have a 32" Samsung series 6 full HD LCD TV (LA32A650A - 2 years old only), and even though it is 1920*1080, the VGA input only works at 1280*1024 (or lower). Dunno why! I have to drop the PC resolution each time I want to view the PC on the TV.

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  Reply # 529026 4-Oct-2011 13:48 Send private message

Zeon: Hey guys,
Sorry to throw the thread on a tangent but what do people think about using cheap TVs as monitors? I see JB Hifi is selling this model quite cheap:

http://www.jbhifi.co.nz/tv-lcd-led-plasma/sony/bravia-32-inch-full-hd-lcd-tv-sku-22678/

Its 1080p and has built in speakers which are both major bonuses. I realize the picture quality may not be as good as other monitors but do you think it will be a major issue. I play games such as counter strike source, battlefield 2, gta4 and now bf3. I have been using an older Viewsonic 19" 1280x1024 up until now but it has a 2ms response time and is about 6 years old.


Using a 32" TV as a 2nd monitor for gaming should be fine, wouldn't use it as the main monitor though for general usage.

Remember a 30" computer monitor will normally have a resolution like 2560x1600, a 32" tv with a resolution of 1920x1080 is going to have a much worse dot pitch making text harder to read etc.



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  Reply # 529031 4-Oct-2011 13:57 Send private message

Yes, IPS is better. They don't achieve the same g2g speed ratings but their colour and viewing angles are usually much better than TN or PVA panels.

Get a Dell Ultrasharp... They are worth a few more dollars for the no quibble zero dead or bright pixels warranty as well as being the best looking and feature fich monitors available.

I've had a Dell 20, 24 and no 30" LCD... All have been superb (except the 24" - initially - which required 3 replacements to get around a known fault at the time - I should note that Dell were fine with continuously replacing the monitor :-)

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 529326 5-Oct-2011 08:26 Send private message

Not all IPS LCDs are equal.
The cheaper e-IPS technology LCDs have 6bit colour per channel the same as the TN models. The manufacturer specifications will list them as having 8bit per channel when they don't on the justification that they dither colour to improve perceived colour depth. Expect to pay far more for an IPS panel with native 8bit colour per channel.

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