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Topic # 15661 2-Sep-2007 12:14 Send private message

In November last year, I wrote to a friend "Na na na na na! Your ISP's owned by a bigger telco than my ISP now!! Service will go through the floor!!!".  Sure enough, a few weeks later iHug (now Vodafone owned) had major email issues.

In 1995 IBM was my ISP.  Any problems (there were few - the $5 per hour seemed cheap at the time) and a quick 0800 call to Ballarat, short discussion about Melbourne weather, and then the problem would be fixed.  When Paradise grew from the heart of Wellington (as we expect in our lovely city), our calls were always answered by a tech person within three rings.

Of course Telstra purchased Paradise, and customer service started a determined battle to be worse than Xtra.  Fortunately, a near-new network means there are relatively few faults.

It was April last year that Telstra allowed 'naked' broadband (starts at $50 pm, by the way).  In July my partner and I decided to go with a VoIP service, and ditch the Telstra phone.  I liked iTalk because of the flexibility they offer.  Unfortunately, their customer service is even more flexible, different answer each time I ring, and it flexes in the wrong directions.  Examples: CSR told me there was no 10 day return period (there is - I ended up using it); Their systems wouldn't accept my 4 digit Telstra customer nbr; They are only a 'call in' call centre, don't do call or emails out; Actually they do respond to emails, but it can take 1 to 4 weeks; email (and hence, voicemail) forwarding is broken on their cut down iTalk-only email portal; I don't think they were ever close being able to port my Telstra phone number; Took about two weeks to send me a courier bag to return my Grandstream ATA to them (I had returned it at my expense in the meantime); Refund took about three weeks after then acknowledged getting the Grandstream back.  Throughout all this, the CSRs were always very positive and polite, and apologised for the problems I'd had.

Overall, the iTalk product seems to work, on a variety of SIP devices, with minor concerns about call quality, but you are on your own.

In the middle of all this, I ran into Mauricio, who said I should try VFX (and should write about my experience here).  Sure enough, I purchased a PAP2T, plugged it in, and it was going next day.  WorldxChange service is not perfect - lots of little hassles, and given that Maverick says they have five years of VoIP experience, it is unfortunately that many of their CSRs definitely don't know how the VFX systems work.  Number porting was the only major issue - I had to pay Telstra for a phone line
I wasn't using two weeks longer than I should have because the first few people I spoke with gave the wrong information.  The day after getting my PAP2T, it was up and running, and three people from WxC had rung to check!   It was another two weeks before the number was ported.  (Had two phone lines with the same number for a day ... hummm.) 

It seemed somewhat strange that a person from accounts had to chase me up for several days just to check my address - a CSR eventually managed to confirm it to Account's satisfaction.  There was also an issue for a few days when the CSRs couldn't work out how to change my Voice Portal password!  There still is the occasional call quality issue - hard to diagnose because it only affects the other party, and it is a bit tedious to ask every person you speak with on the phone to tell you if there are any funny noises!  (Unfortunately, they are more likely to stay silent, but make a mental note that "Internet phone" is poor quality, to be avoided.)

I have also set up a xNet account for a client of mine.  This currently comes with bundled VFX, but getting it running has been a (low priority - for me) pain - drawn out, confused stories, etc, and is still not working.  I think I have all the info they need now, but can't do anything because Sales have Sundays off, and their online signup tells me this particular customer does not exist!  :-(

Overall on WxC - Very enthusiastic and friendly customer service, but after five years (apparently) they still don't have their VFX backend systems running smoothly. No major issues.  I guess that is the benefit we get from having a limited choice of ATA devices.

We pay Telstra $50 per mth for 10 gigs of 4mb/2mb broadband (that does go up to those speeds), and $11.25 per month for VFX.  That is about $12 per month less than what we used pay Telstra for broadband and phone, plus we get numerous services that Telstra wanted to charge us more for (most notably voicemail). 

It is also significantly less the $70 per month Maverick suggests WxC naked DSL + VFX will work out at.  Seems to me that Telecom is going to be able to screw most of you for a few years to come. Sorry about that!  You'll just have to move to Wellington.  (Or, at a pinch, Christchurch.)

VoIP is cool - cheap, works, and soooo many features.  Trouble is, it seems that that a criteria for an ISP to become a telco is that their customer service has to be lowered towards the Telco industry standard.  This needs to change, or people will go with the 'devil you know' theory, and stick with Telecom.

Cheers all!

Steve

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  Reply # 84888 2-Sep-2007 13:24 Send private message

Nice Sum-Up Steve. I currently have both iTalk lines and a VFX line coming in over our Xnet DSL connection here in Wellington (No cable in our apartment block unfortunately).

Number porting to VFX was an absolute breeze. I had previously ported my number (Used primeraly for personal, but also as a home-business line) from Woosh to iTalk when we ditched Woosh wireless in favour for DSL but there were major issues with Callplus handling the porting and they just ended up breaking the number (We had no incoming service for about 10 days - not good when you are running a home business). Once I made the decision to go with VFX it was a matter of only a few days before we had full functionality again. The device I wanted (A Linksys SPA-942 deskphone) was out of stock throughout the country and Maverick was extremely helpful in this regard arranging a loan device for me from Linksys, that was much appreciated.

The next issue that arose was call quality. I had read on here that many people considered the  G.729a codec that VFX uses to be as good as, or in many cases better than that of a standard POTS landline. My experience tells otherwise as I find the audio sounds noticably degraded. I would liken the quality to that of a good cellphone call (CDMA not GSM), which is incidently how Woosh describle the quality of their phone service, which I also understand uses the G.729a codec. The fact that I am using a deskphone rather than an ATA probably explains why the quality difference is more noticable, as when you use an ATA, especially with a cordless phone you are loosing some of the audio integrity anyway.

After much work by the VFX team, many config tweaks at our end and theirs, and a change of ISP from Woosh DSL to Xnet DSL I think we are finally at a stage where I consider the quality of the VFX service 'usable', however I still favour the POTS line when making non-chargable calls as the quality of the VFX (And iTalk for that matter) just isn't quite there.

My VFX line is currently running on G.711µ (µlaw), an ISDN-like codec which sounds good, most of the time, but is not really suited to a DSL connection and so does suffer for silent patches randomly during calls. My iTalk lines I change, as needed, between alaw (similar to µlaw) and G.729a as I see fit, and I have varing results with each. G.729a also suffers from short audio silences at both ends unfortunately and I am still undecided as to which codec i think is better.

My advice to anyone considering replacing their POTS service with a VoIP product like VFX is to try it out first, and to make sure you are happy with the call quality before chopping the landline. For me, as much as I would love to, I am not willing to ditch the Telecom line just yet. (Well you know, once nDSL arrives).

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Reply # 84889 2-Sep-2007 13:27 Send private message

Oh, and big Ups to all of the Xnet team. I have found, on every occasion, that you are efficient, police, knowledgeable and go out of your way, and beyond the call of duty to resolve any issues that you customers have.

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  Reply # 84891 2-Sep-2007 13:31 Send private message

I have both iTalk on a Grandstream ATA 286 (simple simple) and experimentations and 2Talk on Nokia N95 but have recently connected a analogue landline as they kept going down. I skipped VFX as it required dedicated hardware.

The backup service is pretty poor in most cases, but can excel when you get the right person whoms knows the product well.

The real killer for VoIP is trying to get any new user to get it working. For geeks like us, we need our own device as it's cool. but you try sending out an ATA to grand ma ma and saying just plug this in, log in to your router. setup port forwaring, DHCP etc etc etc. I actually see a great business for installations with naked DSL where a tech can visit and setup the VoIP and networking gear for a small callout charge. many people just want a cheap phone thay can call out and are happing paying a one time charge to call China for 2c thereafter.

People are just used to just plugging in a phone to a jack which is where I can see simple exchange based ATA's being the future.


Things will get better, Most companies are really just playing around with this stuff now which has proven to actually be too popular.


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  Reply # 84913 2-Sep-2007 17:15 Send private message

Hi Steve,

Reading your post's I am a little confused would like to know what the actual  issues were ? as I will take a look to see what the problems may have been, one of the reasons we contribute to this forum is that we like to listen and see where we can improve and to listen to customers feedback.

You have to understand Steve we have processes in place for both residential and commercial customers when they get put into our billing system so we can confirm details most probably this is why an Accounts person was trying to get in touch, with a VOIP product would be pretty easy to sign up with out incorrect details and have a system ripped off for a few days until these were discovered, this been done before and will be done again I'm sure not everyone out there is honest I'm afraid.

What we find a lot of the times with delays in provisioning is that the wrong information has been given , ie wrong details , incorrect phone numbers etc, wrong email address, yes we do make mistakes and unlike a lot of companies we tend to front up directly in this public forum as our customers are very important to us and we like to treat them as we would like to be treated ourselves, sometimes that doesn't get reciprocated and are very easy marks in a public place, our CSR's work very hard in keeping up to date with our product and services, however each rep will have certain strengths and weaknesses , newer reps will take time to come up to speed and the senior reps and our OP staff work to address these on a continual basis. With the advent of VOIP though I have to say that it does add another level of complexity & not every rep is going to fully understand the technology as well as another but they will have strengths in other areas , this is the way in any business try going to electronic store and start asking some questions on the stereo's and TV's.

So I would ask if you could please detail what your issue's where so I can take a look and see if there is something we can improve, feel free to PM the details if you don't want to list them here.


I also suppose I take a little exception to 2 things as well and not often I do I must say,
1.
"but after five years (apparently)"  don't make it a habit of making these things up Steve Wink Our toll Bypass customers have been happily running on this Technology for approx 5 years now we just never came out and waved a big flag about it, it's just an access method for us, we like to put our efforts in to providing the best service we possibly can not jumping up and down about it. VFX has been commercially available for about a year now the reason it wasn't any earlier is that we didn't believe that the DSL network was good enough to support our product and didn't want an inferior product giving the technology a bad name (seen that type of problem with Go Large Laughing )

2.
"customer service has to be lowered towards the Telco industry standard" were very up front as a company we admit mistakes and we don't try and hide it but I truely believe our CSR reps are the best in the country as as team, the Country thinks so as well since they have been in the Top 3 Call Centres for the last few years in fact winning it this year so I will go into bat for my CSR Team and think this is unfair comment you are more than entitled to your comments Steve and you will see that we welcome constructive feedback but I think that we generally raise the standard set by the others.

oh and one more

"Trouble is, it seems that that a criteria for an ISP to become a telco "

Actually WorldxChange has been a Telco for over 10 Years being suppling some of the cheapest national & international phone charges in NZ over this period and I think you will find we were a major instigator in the international toll rates being slashed when we entered the marked and slashed prices from $ to cents for a lot of  big destinations UK / US etc, ISP services were added only a few years ago.

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  Reply # 84919 2-Sep-2007 17:54 Send private message

Just another comment on Call Quality, generally what we see is that when complaints come in on this and it tends to only be one way, ie funny noises and screeches then most like it is being generated locally, bad power supplies, possibly cable etc, I did a random check on one of your calls at 12:39 as it was quite long at 11 Minutes 30 Secs

Now this is the info sent from your device it received 35306 packets and lost 47 (did you have any quality issues ?) and it sent 35356
Timestamp     : 12:39:42.512 2007-09-02
Direction : RX
Remote IP/Port: 203.xxx.xxx.xxx
Local IP/Port : 58..xxx.xxx.xxx
Transport : UDP
----------------------------------------
BYE sip:[email protected]:5060;maddr=58.xxx.xxx.xxx;transport=UDP SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.80.18:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-b5161aff;rport
From: 04xxx74 ;tag=36a4e20a5099c786o0
To: ;tag=96141c3a-13c4-46da0389-12237c9d-6f0a8e3f
Call-ID: [email protected]
CSeq: 103 BYE
Max-Forwards: 70
User-Agent: Linksys/PAP2T-5.1.5(LS)
P-RTP-Stat: PS=35356,OS=707120,PR=35306,OR=706120,PL=47,JI=1,LA=0,DU=696,EN=G729a,DE=G729a
Content-Length: 0


now of thos 35356 packets sent we saw this so 1 lost packet only, what this shows is that everything that was transmitted by your device was received by us, minus a single packet of data which would never be noticed
if these screeches and funny noises where present system wide we would have a lot of complaints , so what I would like to suggest is firstly if you have a another phone try that to see if it is the phone possibly causing
the issue, also maybe the cables connected to the phone or is there possibly another source of interference close to the phone or PAP2 ?, just my first thoughts, I can set up some captures if you like to capture some calls
and we can take a look when you experience one to see if my theory is correct and it's being transmitted from your location.



Media Typeaudio/g729
urimostimestampself-madebegin-ex-seqend-ex-seqpackets-passedpackets-droppedpackets-lostcurrent-jitter
From:sip:[email protected]

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  Reply # 84922 2-Sep-2007 18:00 Send private message

Cheers Phil! I wouldn't have bothered writing this if I didn't think you cared!

The only significant issues regarding my own connection are:
* Delay in getting the form I needed for number porting. This is resolved now. The issue here was that at least three CSRs I spoke with did not appear to know what number portability was! It is a newer part of the service, and other people have had no trouble whatsoever. I'm not worried about it.
* Occasional feedback-type noises which the other party hears during conversations. This is important - sort of thing that will put people right off the technology. At their request, I've now phoned your support people twice just after it has happened, and both times it happened to the CSR too! I'm confident this is being worked on.

I recently set up an ADSL connection for a client - first time I've ever done this! (Other people I've set up have been on cable.) It went very well. They are happy, and the client can't understand why people want a faster connection than FS/128! As a much lower priority, and because there was not an additional charge, and we were buying an AP anyway, I bought a ATA capable device. Trying to get VFX has been a pain. When I enter the 'existing customer' account and phone numbers, I get "Customer not found", and three times I tried to do this, but was told there were no CSRs with specialised VFX knowledge to get this done. I'll PM the details you to (if I can work out how Tongue out). Just remembered, on one occasion I left details to be called back, but that didn't happen.

The issue of quality of customer service was just me reminiscing about the 90s - tongue in cheek. I've had little to do with any ISPs other than IBM & Paradise Cool, and Telstra & Xtra Frown. Several iHug customers have commented to me that service has fallen since the Vodafone buyout. WorldxChange & Slingshot CSRs were always polite, concerned, and eager to to help. This is much better than I have experienced from Telstra and Xtra.

Your history explains your name - WorldxChange does sound telephony. I had wondered.

Overall I now recommend WorldxChange to anyone who can't get cable, and sometimes people who can get cable!

Thanks again for your reply. I'd signed up to try iTalk before seriously reading these forums. Your contribution here gave the confidence to take up VFX, and I'm very pleased I did.

PS - just read your second reply ... sounds like far too much work for a Sunday! My cabling is a real Busman's holiday - I know and teach best practise, but don't make time to do it at home. Will try your suggestions. Thanks again.

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  Reply # 84927 2-Sep-2007 18:32 Send private message

Thanks for the details,

Number Porting I will pass these comments on the Managers of our Sales and  Customer service and see what we need to do to improve on this.

"When I enter the 'existing customer' account and phone numbers, I get "Customer not found", and three times I tried to do this"

Will have someone take a look at this tomorrow

The feedback issue I myself am now across and will do some further analysis you are right this is very important and we will work with you to identify it, did the CSR give you a Fault Ticket number if so can you PM or post it please, will look at this tomorrow, not tonight though as I'm cooking Tea... roast pork  and the wife hates it when I'm late with teaLaughing, also good to hear to teach best  practices could do with a few more people in our industry teaching those Cry,

Thanks for the clarification on the CSR's it is valuable and we are pretty passionate about it here at WorldxChange were not perfect as no one ever is but boy we try hard and I know our CSR's do.




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  Reply # 84936 2-Sep-2007 19:18 Send private message

My experience was that WxC got my MAC address wrong.  I know I gave it right, because I have an Afrikaans South African accent which is hard to understand so the CSR read the MAC back to me to confirm she got it right.  A simple help desk request e-mail got it right.  But when I signed up for VFX I've filled in the on-line form and there I also made sure my MAC was correct.  So somewhere something is not working.  At the time I've read other people with that same problem, that's why I was careful to get it right.

As for call quality, for me it is definately at the highest end of mobile phone quality.  I'm an electronic engineer as well as a part time sound engineer, so can say with confidence it is good.  But then again, I'm on brand new ADSL exchange hardware which was also the first trial site (Pakuranga) so perhaps the exchange is better than most other people's.

Suggest people keep their cordless phone base stations at least a meter away from their ATA devices, to prevent interference.  I get a lot of interference on my PC speakers, can understand that there can also be a lot interference on an ATA.

Overall I'm happy, the only real problem I'm having is that FriendxChange referrals disappear in a big void until one day it appears on your account (apparently 3 months, I'll see this month).  Would be so much better if pending credit confirmations are show on our invouces so we do not have to keep track of it ourselves.  Three months is a long time to have to remember who I've referred and when.




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  Reply # 84947 2-Sep-2007 20:32 Send private message

Firstly thanks Phil and others from WxC who put their time and effort into this Forum. Thanks for not hiding behind "Spin".
Overall The team at WxC have gone out of their way to help me when I have had problems. Yes there have been one or two
but they have been sorted out quickly as possible.
To me VoIP is a bit like Firefox and IE...Firefox has lot's of features(like VFX) you can add and general works most of the time. But on the odd time you have to use IE. And I use Firefox 99.99% of the time.
With Call quality i don't really have any issues with it. My Vodafone is worse for call quality and drop out etc.
Also I think it depends what type of phone the person on the other end of the line has. My Sister has a cheap Warehouse phone
and the handling noise is terrible and sometimes sounds a little bit distorted. (happens on POTS as well)
With the POTS vs VFX I think the Pros out weight the Cons for VFX.

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  Reply # 84987 3-Sep-2007 06:38 Send private message

Hi Steve,

Ran some checks this morning , yes I heard the noises, isolated these down to the tx side of the conversation being directly received here and is not being generated or picked up further in the network which is way we don't see the issue with others, so I think my first conclusions may be right and that something locally is actaully effecting this, if you can try those suggestions first we can progress from there.




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  Reply # 85083 3-Sep-2007 13:54 Send private message

We have found the issue with online sign up raised by you Steve, the reason it was coming up with "not found" was whilst the account information was correct and active, the phone even though is in our system it is sitting in a canceled state so not active, the customer did not want a toll service with us but we need a Phone Number to register against the account,

The Account Number and Phone number have to be active  against the account for existing customers to use the online form, we will make a change to make this clear on the Signup form.




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  Reply # 85181 3-Sep-2007 21:45 Send private message

maverick: We have found the issue with online sign up raised by you Steve, the reason it was coming up with "not found" was whilst the account information was correct and active, the phone even though is in our system it is sitting in a canceled state so not active, the customer did not want a toll service with us but we need a Phone Number to register against the account,

The Account Number and Phone number have to be active against the account for existing customers to use the online form, we will make a change to make this clear on the Signup form.


Isn't this is yet another example of that great scourge of the all Telcos - billing?  Very similar to the problem iTalk had that I  mentioned in my original posting, where I only had half a webmail account.  (Difference is, they didn't offer to fix it!)

Thanks for the explaination! Smile

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  Reply # 85210 4-Sep-2007 05:55 Send private message

Yes I think this is an issue for every one  "Billing" and I have said this before in posts the hardest part of our industry is billing, there are so many different factors involved and to take into account and generally is one of the major reasons for product launch delays, One of the standard lines in our Ops Group is "I can switch it but can you Bill it" Laughing,




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  Reply # 85278 4-Sep-2007 12:27 Send private message

...now of thos 35356 packets sent we saw this so 1 lost packet only, what this shows is that everything that was transmitted by your device was received by us, minus a single packet of data which would never be noticed
if these screeches and funny noises where present system wide we would have a lot of complaints , so what I would like to suggest is firstly if you have a another phone try that to see if it is the phone possibly causing 
the issue, also maybe the cables connected to the phone or is there possibly another source of interference close to the phone or PAP2 ?, just my first thoughts, I can set up some captures if you like to capture some calls
and we can take a look when you experience one to see if my theory is correct and it's being transmitted from your location.

I went to look at the PAP2T - it was sitting right next to the Cable Modem power supply. I rearranged the cabling a little, so I could put the PAP2T on it's own. This seems to have fixed the problem! (As much as one can tell with intermittent issues!)Laughing
Thanks Phill



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  Reply # 85519 5-Sep-2007 21:59 Send private message

... and three times I tried to do this, but was told there were no CSRs with specialised VFX knowledge to get this done. I'll PM the details you to (if I can work out how Tongue out). Just remembered, on one occasion I left details to be called back, but that didn't happen.


That all went to plan - the VFX was provisioned, and I got the configuration details fine.  Today I went out to get this phone going, and found another serious gotchya with the WAG54GP2.  There are two versions.  The CSR I worked with today said you can tell from the MAC address 00 16 ... is a version 1, 00 18 ... is a version 2.  I only bought this one a couple or three weeks ago, and had given the MAC address to WxC, so I didn't check.  Turns out if you put the new configuration into an old router, the phone works, but the Internet stops working.  (big Frown).  45 minutes (including a factory reset) later, the CSR and I had my client back on the Internet.  Another 20 minutes, and I had their ports forwarding etc again.
I'm sure WxC will get a replacement device out to us - just something else to watch out for VFX call quality was excellent for the five minutes we had that instead of Internet! Laughing

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