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  Reply # 120928 3-Apr-2008 23:26 Send private message

MrChairman: http://www.telecom.co.nz/binarys/adsl2%20080131.pdf

260k customers already on adsl2 profiles.. No doubt they will be shouting from the rooftops once they actually complete the roll out.


So by that document I can assume the people of St Albans have had ADSL2+ speeds for the last year. Or even myself.. I unknowingly enjoyed ADSL2+ speeds from 23rd of August last year until I left Mt Wellington.

Having ADSL2+ ISAMs active in an exchange isn't the same as providing ADSL2+ speeds. And as Telecom says its merely a technology upgrade, and isn't for faster speeds:
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/Aloha/4727


Plx

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Geek


  Reply # 120933 3-Apr-2008 23:41 Send private message

Perhaps someone from Xnet could clarify whether they are really limiting their connections to ADSL1 speeds. If it's true I'm gobsmacked - and in any case, what's the point? What's to be gained from limiting users speed? As far as ADSL2+ profiles being implemented, I was on the understanding these are being rolled out as the exchanges are upgraded.

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  Reply # 120974 4-Apr-2008 08:47 Send private message

Well i'm confirming for you now; they are limiting ADSL2+ speeds to ADSL1.

So if you were on an ADSL2+ connection with Orcon, you would get FS, but at that same address if you were with Xnet, you would get half the speed.

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  Reply # 121023 4-Apr-2008 12:00 Send private message

simon14: Well i'm confirming for you now; they are limiting ADSL2+ speeds to ADSL1.



So if you were on an ADSL2+ connection with Orcon, you would get FS, but at that same address if you were with Xnet, you would get half the speed.


Its funny that Orcon doesn't agree with you:
http://www.orcon.net.nz/broadband/
"Outside of these areas the traditional network has almost nation-wide coverage and can deliver download speeds of up to 8Mbps."

You can only get 24mbps on Orcons Unbundled lines where you are connected to an Orcon port - not a Telecom port.

Broadband customers hanging off a Telecom port are still limited to ADSL1 speeds by Telecom, not Orcon, not WxC.


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Geek


  Reply # 121025 4-Apr-2008 12:05 Send private message

slipmat:
Having ADSL2+ ISAMs active in an exchange isn't the same as providing ADSL2+ speeds. And as Telecom says its merely a technology upgrade, and isn't for faster speeds:
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/Aloha/4727

Well they certainly won't guarantee that adsl2 will grant faster speeds, in much the same way they won't guarantee any level of speed at all on adsl1.

I assure you, once the adsl2 profile is active on a line then the customer can start syncing using adsl2 modulations and has whatever throughput that provides available to them. Of course you wouldn't notice if you were on xnet :p Your modem must also support adsl2.

Edit: And in response to above, slipmat. That's a very recent change to orcons website. I have seen orcon customers get adsl2 speeds across tcnz ports. Wouldn't surprise me if they're now trying to limit them to bolster the uptake of their own adsl2. Regardless, there are still other isp's that don't limit eg, tcl

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  Reply # 121037 4-Apr-2008 12:45 Send private message

slipmat:
simon14: Well i'm confirming for you now; they are limiting ADSL2+ speeds to ADSL1.



So if you were on an ADSL2+ connection with Orcon, you would get FS, but at that same address if you were with Xnet, you would get half the speed.


Its funny that Orcon doesn't agree with you:
http://www.orcon.net.nz/broadband/
"Outside of these areas the traditional network has almost nation-wide coverage and can deliver download speeds of up to 8Mbps."

You can only get 24mbps on Orcons Unbundled lines where you are connected to an Orcon port - not a Telecom port.

Broadband customers hanging off a Telecom port are still limited to ADSL1 speeds by Telecom, not Orcon, not WxC.



It's funny that the facts don't agree with you.

Just ask anyone with Orcon on an ADSL2+ connection and you'll find that they do get ADSL2+ speeds :)

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  Reply # 121050 4-Apr-2008 13:15 Send private message


It's funny that the facts don't agree with you.



Just ask anyone with Orcon on an ADSL2+ connection and you'll find that they do get ADSL2+ speeds :)


OK, I submit. I had to put up a fight though.  :-)

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  Reply # 121057 4-Apr-2008 13:37 Send private message

Interesting

I have asked this question on a couple of threads and never had an adequate answer

My modem syncs at adsl2+ but my download speeds on my Xnet River plan FS/128 have not changed whatsover over adsl1

Now bear in mind that according to the TCNZ document my exchange [J'Ville] was scheduled have adsl2+ profiles activated 8/2/08
 
I am waiting to see the next TCNZ update that states my exchange is fully migrated

All that said it would be nice if WxC end the speculation and state one way or another what is going on

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  Reply # 121133 4-Apr-2008 17:01 Send private message

xlinknz: All that said it would be nice if WxC end the speculation and state one way or another what is going on


Usually when they just keep quiet it means that they are about to make an announcement or waiting for something else to happen before making the statement, and they simply need to get the timing right.  (Or they just don't want to say it.)




You can never have enough Volvos!


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  Reply # 121142 4-Apr-2008 17:24 Send private message

Or could be just bad customer service.

Plx

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Geek


  Reply # 121287 5-Apr-2008 12:45 Send private message

Out of interest, I was at clients yesterday where they have an attainable/line rate ds of 18000/14000 (Woosh ADSL). I did a speedtest and got a download speed of 12000, so 2+ profiles are active. I must say that overall I have been pretty happy with Xnet as an ISP, I like their progressive attitude, and do feel you must have a good tolerance for grumbly customers to work there (or for any ISP in NZ for that matter).

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  Reply # 121291 5-Apr-2008 13:33 Send private message

14000kbps upload?

That can't be right considering ADSL2+ upload can go no higher than 1mbps.

Plx

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Geek


Reply # 121298 5-Apr-2008 13:50 Send private message

Plx: attainable/line rate *ds* of 18000/14000


Attainable downstream of 18000, line rate downstream 14000. I know it's limited to 1Mb upstream, 'tis why I never mentioned it. It's a pity TelstraClear gave up on their cable service, we might have actually been able to get 14000 upstream :-))

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Master Geek


  Reply # 121421 5-Apr-2008 23:27 Send private message

Fast upstream wouldn't make it very Asymmetric DSL...

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  Reply # 121433 6-Apr-2008 01:48 Send private message

There are other components in the UBS network that provide rate limiting, not just the DSLAM port.  Even with ADSL2plus profiles enabled, it's very possible to have an 8Mbps ratelimit configured at the LAC.

Additionally, exchanges won't have ADSL2plus profiles configured on the DSLAM ports (never mind the LAC) until all ports at that exchange are migrated.

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