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Topic # 113875 30-Jan-2013 18:32 Send private message

Hi All,

I have two different subnets linked with a router between them.

I need to access a SMB share over a port forward across the WAN interface - not as bad a security threat as you might think because the WAN interface is not exposed to the internet in this case, just a different subnet.

I opened 135/137/139 and 445 TCP and UDP and cant access the share by typing in \\SERVER\Share

Am I missing something?

Cheers

-Al

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  Reply # 753416 30-Jan-2013 18:33 Send private message

PS: I tried making the server a DMZ and that didnt work either!



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  Reply # 753418 30-Jan-2013 18:40 Send private message

First problem : I can ping one particular device on the LAN subnet, but the SERVER with the SMB share(same subnet) wont reply to pings.

Guess thats the first problem to over come.

-AL

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  Reply # 753447 30-Jan-2013 19:33 Send private message

Hang on, why are you using NAT at all? If the 2 subnets are directly connected via a single router than you don't even need port forwarding as one subnet can route directly to a host in the other? What devices etc. are you using and what are you trying to achieve?





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  Reply # 755113 3-Feb-2013 16:26 Send private message

Replace SERVER with the IP address of your router. The server behind the NAT is not visible by its name from the outside.



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  Reply # 755173 3-Feb-2013 18:49 Send private message

Yeah your right, it needs to be the IP of the router, but still doesnt work.

I wonder if it has to do with the reply address?

Here is my diagram of what I *think* might be happening?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dt7q9owe5y997ug/Drawing1%20%282%29.jpg?m

HTH

-Al



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  Reply # 755203 3-Feb-2013 20:28 Send private message

bigal_nz: Yeah your right, it needs to be the IP of the router, but still doesnt work.

I wonder if it has to do with the reply address?

Here is my diagram of what I *think* might be happening?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dt7q9owe5y997ug/Drawing1%20%282%29.jpg?m

HTH

-Al


Yip - the air router needs to change the source to 192.168.150.243 for SMB requests going across it.

iptables -t nat -o eth0 -s 192.168.0.0/24 -J MASQUERADE

Or something like that!

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  Reply # 755338 4-Feb-2013 08:39 Send private message

What are your client and server SMB hosts. Recent (6.1 and above) windows versions do not require return path.

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  Reply # 755364 4-Feb-2013 09:22 Send private message

Hi Bigal_nz,
OKKKKK I think you need to look at a major redesign of your network. Firstly why have you got 2x routers connecting to the internet? Have you got connections with 2 different ISPs? Unless these are seperate networks due to one being say for you and one being say your neighbour you only need one router for everything. You have double NAT going on there which is REALLY bad with the stuff behind the air router.

The answers will come from this I think!






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  Reply # 755373 4-Feb-2013 09:43 Send private message

I've only just looked at the diagram, honestly, left me a bit perplexed.

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  Reply # 755388 4-Feb-2013 09:53 Send private message

I'm no expert in this particular field, but if it were me, I'd look at using a VPN over the WAN perhaps.



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  Reply # 755697 4-Feb-2013 17:48 Send private message

Zeon: Hi Bigal_nz,
OKKKKK I think you need to look at a major redesign of your network. Firstly why have you got 2x routers connecting to the internet? Have you got connections with 2 different ISPs? Unless these are seperate networks due to one being say for you and one being say your neighbour you only need one router for everything. You have double NAT going on there which is REALLY bad with the stuff behind the air router.

The answers will come from this I think!



There are reasons for doing it this way, and constrictions on what I can change and what I cant.

I guess I am fudging a solution with my hands tied to some extent.

Yes both the routers at the top of the diagram connect to the internet.

There are two different organisations involved. I only control the 192.168.150.0 subnet.

Proper routing would be best solution...but again I dont control the 192.168.0.0 network.

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  Reply # 755712 4-Feb-2013 18:11 Send private message

bigal_nz:
Zeon: Hi Bigal_nz,
OKKKKK I think you need to look at a major redesign of your network. Firstly why have you got 2x routers connecting to the internet? Have you got connections with 2 different ISPs? Unless these are seperate networks due to one being say for you and one being say your neighbour you only need one router for everything. You have double NAT going on there which is REALLY bad with the stuff behind the air router.

The answers will come from this I think!



There are reasons for doing it this way, and constrictions on what I can change and what I cant.

I guess I am fudging a solution with my hands tied to some extent.

Yes both the routers at the top of the diagram connect to the internet.

There are two different organisations involved. I only control the 192.168.150.0 subnet.

Proper routing would be best solution...but again I dont control the 192.168.0.0 network.



Hmm I see. Would it be an option to perhaps connect router2 to router1? Can we get some mroe info on the situation and your limitations? Don't need to name names of course ;p





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  Reply # 755729 4-Feb-2013 18:48 Send private message

So you have a static route on Router 1 (192.168.150.1)??

192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0 gw=192.168.150.243




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  Reply # 756766 7-Feb-2013 04:11 Send private message

Zeon:
bigal_nz:
Zeon: Hi Bigal_nz,
OKKKKK I think you need to look at a major redesign of your network. Firstly why have you got 2x routers connecting to the internet? Have you got connections with 2 different ISPs? Unless these are seperate networks due to one being say for you and one being say your neighbour you only need one router for everything. You have double NAT going on there which is REALLY bad with the stuff behind the air router.

The answers will come from this I think!



There are reasons for doing it this way, and constrictions on what I can change and what I cant.

I guess I am fudging a solution with my hands tied to some extent.

Yes both the routers at the top of the diagram connect to the internet.

There are two different organisations involved. I only control the 192.168.150.0 subnet.

Proper routing would be best solution...but again I dont control the 192.168.0.0 network.



Hmm I see. Would it be an option to perhaps connect router2 to router1? Can we get some mroe info on the situation and your limitations? Don't need to name names of course ;p


Dont worry the iptables rule to do SNAT fixed it, so it had a return path:

iptables -t NAT -A POSTROUING -o br0 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.150.243

Giving the packs a return address of 192.168.150.243 when crossing the Air Router.

Cheers

-Al


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