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Topic # 95775 12-Jan-2012 22:51 Send private message

Hi all I have a network setup I am installing for a client's house. The clients want lots of networkable devices in the house (multiple televisions, blu-ray players, up to 3 computers (only 1 is a true workstation - the rest are glorified internet bowsers/media players) plus phones, tablets, etc etc) and they have zero ability to troubleshoot or fix network problems themselves. Basically, they need 100% reliability in their network and I will be installing commercial-grade router, switch(es), NAS, Network Multifunction Printer - and the wiring has been done thoroughly and properly. All fixed devices access the network via ethernet, mobile devices access the network via wifi obviously. In any case this is detail you don't really need but this is my first time posting here and I am trying to follow the rules!

The important part to know is that I will be going to install either a 12 or 24-port unmanaged Switch which then goes to something like a Cisco RVS4000 router which has built in firewall/VPN etc (VPN only useful because all these devices like phones and media players will be constantly automatically accessing the internet for various apps/functionalities running in the background).

What I am after is a recommendation for solid standalone ADSL2+ Modem that is commercial-grade that never needs to be restarted or turned off. Does such a thing exist? I am just after a recommendation for a product... And I like separate components because that component does one thing well and isn't overloaded doing things. But maybe I am living in a fantasy land. But if there is something better I am all ears.

Oh, the client's telephone/ISP will be Telecom NZ. The client's apartment is located at the bottom of Albert Street in the Auckland CBD.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated- even one line answers with product codes are very welcome!

Thanks!

EDIT: Or a 100% reliable modem router that I can set to bridge mode which is commercial grade I guess is what I mean

EDIT 2: Whoops! The replies are coming in already! Thank you!

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  Reply # 568153 12-Jan-2012 23:08 Send private message

(it's not important but there will be 2-3 wifi extenders spaced throughout the site as well)

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  Reply # 568156 12-Jan-2012 23:09 Send private message

bisr: 

What I am after is a recommendation for solid standalone ADSL2+ Modem that is commercial-grade that never needs to be restarted or turned off. Does such a thing exist? I am just after a recommendation for a product... And I like separate components because that component does one thing well and isn't overloaded doing things. But maybe I am living in a fantasy land. But if there is something better I am all ears.

Oh, the client's telephone/ISP will be Telecom NZ. The client's apartment is located at the bottom of Albert Street in the Auckland CBD.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated- even one line answers with product codes are very welcome!

Thanks!


My telecom 2-wire adsl modem is nearly perfect.

Rarely resets. In fact, I do not recall a single reset (outside telecom network outages). 




 

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  Reply # 568158 12-Jan-2012 23:12 Send private message

I guess I will be the first one to say it.
After reading tons of posts about modems/routers everyone comes back to one modem. Draytek Vigor 120. Set it for full bridging and you will be away.
I personally have a netcomm nb6 in half bridge and it is a bit rubbish lol. Drops out every couple of months. I don't pay like paying for things so when I find a free draytek thats what I will use.



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  Reply # 568162 12-Jan-2012 23:42 Send private message

chevrolux: I guess I will be the first one to say it.
After reading tons of posts about modems/routers everyone comes back to one modem. Draytek Vigor 120. Set it for full bridging and you will be away.
I personally have a netcomm nb6 in half bridge and it is a bit rubbish lol. Drops out every couple of months. I don't pay like paying for things so when I find a free draytek thats what I will use.



I just checked that out on nicegear. Yeah that looks pretty darn good. No unnecessary sh*t. DSL in, LAN out. Would love to hear some other people's opinions but yes, this is the kind of thing! Thanks Chevrolux!



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  Reply # 568164 12-Jan-2012 23:46 Send private message

Use a Draytek Vigor 120 here. Got it for $49 AUD and it's the best and most stabled ADSL2+ modem I have ever used. Not to mention VERY small and quite nice looking




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  Reply # 568165 12-Jan-2012 23:52 Send private message

I personally use a 2wire supplied by Telecom, free and very reliable. For the MIL I got her a Draytek Vigor 120, as I knew I would not have to go back a fix it, 3 years later, and its never missed a beat.

***Disclaimer***

I did have to spend a long time testing different firmwares on the Vigor 120 to get it working with the best possibly sync/data speeds with the cabinet it's connected to.

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  Reply # 568174 13-Jan-2012 01:46 Send private message

surfisup1000:
bisr: 

What I am after is a recommendation for solid standalone ADSL2+ Modem that is commercial-grade that never needs to be restarted or turned off. Does such a thing exist? I am just after a recommendation for a product... And I like separate components because that component does one thing well and isn't overloaded doing things. But maybe I am living in a fantasy land. But if there is something better I am all ears.

Oh, the client's telephone/ISP will be Telecom NZ. The client's apartment is located at the bottom of Albert Street in the Auckland CBD.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated- even one line answers with product codes are very welcome!

Thanks!


My telecom 2-wire adsl modem is nearly perfect.

Rarely resets. In fact, I do not recall a single reset (outside telecom network outages). 




 


^This.
We have the 2-Wire modem at home supplied by Telecom. All faults we've had on our line have been line faults with Telecom, this modem is amazing. Everything is so easy to configure from what I've been able to see. It just works. Wifi range is fantastic too I must add.





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  Reply # 568184 13-Jan-2012 06:07 Send private message

Draytek 120 is the best standalong modem you'll get it you want to bridge it. Your next decision however is what router to use with it. You'll find that this will be a potentially weaker link than the modem.


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  Reply # 568192 13-Jan-2012 07:42 Send private message

None of the commercial grade vendors make a bad ADSL interface. Get a firewall with built in DSL. Extra boxes give extra chances to fail and if you will be supporting this network remotely, it makes management much harder.



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  Reply # 568198 13-Jan-2012 08:15 Send private message

hashbrown: None of the commercial grade vendors make a bad ADSL interface. Get a firewall with built in DSL. Extra boxes give extra chances to fail and if you will be supporting this network remotely, it makes management much harder.


Okay yes, that is worth considering. Is there one you recommend? Thanks for your input!




I should add that there is a dedicated cabinet space in the client's location with proper ventilation where all this gear is going and how it looks is absolutely irrelevant. The only things that will be outside of the cabinet will be 1-2 wifi AP/Extenders. Frankly if I could get something that was rack mounted it would be best! I love thin and shiny.

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  Reply # 568200 13-Jan-2012 08:28 Send private message

Draytek 120 is the best standalong modem you'll get it you want to bridge it. Your next decision however is what router to use with it. You'll find that this will be a potentially weaker link than the modem.


Exactly, the main reason most DSL routers need rebooting is the NAT router gets its nickers in a twist, whereas the modem side which is largely hardware/DSP pump and a bit of simple firmware rarely goes awol.

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  Reply # 568207 13-Jan-2012 08:38 Send private message

bisr:
hashbrown: None of the commercial grade vendors make a bad ADSL interface. Get a firewall with built in DSL. Extra boxes give extra chances to fail and if you will be supporting this network remotely, it makes management much harder.


Okay yes, that is worth considering. Is there one you recommend? Thanks for your input!




I should add that there is a dedicated cabinet space in the client's location with proper ventilation where all this gear is going and how it looks is absolutely irrelevant. The only things that will be outside of the cabinet will be 1-2 wifi AP/Extenders. Frankly if I could get something that was rack mounted it would be best! I love thin and shiny.



If you want a "busines grade" all in one unit go for a Cisco 800 series.   



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Reply # 568262 13-Jan-2012 09:57 Send private message


If you want a "busines grade" all in one unit go for a Cisco 800 series.   


Are you talking about say an 887? Or more like an 857?

Would a Cisco SR520 work instead / just as well?

It's possible this might get past my abilities to safely install and know what I am doing... anything past a browser-based config and I would have to hire one of you guys! That's part of why I was looking at a RVS4000. I am a glorified consultant really. I don't know if it's possible to PM on these forums but if you want to send me your business details please feel free.

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  Reply # 568265 13-Jan-2012 10:02 Send private message

Only issue I have with the Draytek, once bridged, is that you can't access it to see the stats

Also you can't modify the SNR to get a better sync rate too

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  Reply # 568282 13-Jan-2012 10:23 Send private message

i use a Fritz box and it is the most stable modem i have owned , it has been on for just under 4 weeks without been reset or turned off and im using IPv6 so that's another plus, i would recommend it to anyone

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