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Topic # 18888 28-Jan-2008 15:39 Send private message

Will be interesting to see how it turns out, if this is anything to go by...

Quite disappointing as users are paying for for their bandwidth through datablocks.




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  Reply # 107192 28-Jan-2008 15:41 Send private message

That has gotta hurt...

I download Linux ISOs via BitTorrent... that's legal and it doesn't seem to affect other companies.

Ah, well.




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  Reply # 107197 28-Jan-2008 15:55 Send private message

While its early days, one will need to wait and see.

The thing I got from it was rather than buy more bandwidth (hey those users are PAYING for data), they'd rather limit the data you use while happily charging you for the data blocks. This model is one typically adapted by American internet providers.

Though, if they had a 'go large' type plan while keeping their traditional 'pay for data' plans - no objections.




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  Reply # 107199 28-Jan-2008 15:57 Send private message

I think it's a bit soon to say if it's going to be bad, I really don't think that CallPlus will do a blanket ban on torrents, just drop the speeds by 90% to balance the supposed illegal content.

They have been doing traffic shaping for sometime and all networks will get more shaping as time goes on.
The QoS is a for of shaping, in that it slows your data to get priority data through.


CokeMaster is right to point out that the Slingshot users by datablocks,  so you are already paying for what you use,
it's not like an unlimited data plan,  the more you use the more it cost's the network.  It's seems silly, but I will wait to see what they do.

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  Reply # 107200 28-Jan-2008 15:57 Send private message

cokemaster: Though, if they had a 'go large' type plan while keeping their traditional 'pay for data' plans - no objections.
By what Telecom's been through, I wouldn't. (Yes, I was on Go Large for 3 months - that was the catalyst for switching my ISP)




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  Reply # 107201 28-Jan-2008 16:02 Send private message

hellonearthisman: I think it's a bit soon to say if it's going to be bad, I really don't think that CallPlus will do a blanket ban on torrents, just drop the speeds by 90% to balance the supposed illegal content.


And how will they identify 'illegal content'? Will they be responisble for identifying all the child porn, movies, games, music, terrorist plans, hate speech which are on torrents???


They have been doing traffic shaping for sometime and all networks will get more shaping as time goes on.
The QoS is a for of shaping, in that it slows your data to get priority data through.


The performance exhbitied by this slingshot connection at home is pityful with torrents as it stands. Dial up could literally be faster at times (yes, this is with port fowarding and everything set up). Though, when one gets 10mbps through Xtra which goes through the same exchange, you know that there are problems.




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  Reply # 107206 28-Jan-2008 16:17 Send private message

cokemaster:
hellonearthisman: I think it's a bit soon to say if it's going to be bad, I really don't think that CallPlus will do a blanket ban on torrents, just drop the speeds by 90% to balance the supposed illegal content.


And how will they identify 'illegal content'? Will they be responisble for identifying all the child porn, movies, games, music, terrorist plans, hate speech which are on torrents???


They say, they 90% is illegal, so if they drop the speed by 90% they are are fighting this problem. *creative use of maths

cokemaster:
The performance exhbitied by this slingshot connection at home is pityful with torrents as it stands. Dial up could literally be faster at times (yes, this is with port fowarding and everything set up). Though, when one gets 10mbps through Xtra which goes through the same exchange, you know that there are problems.


I have no problem with torrents on my slingshot connection and others in the SS forum report that they have been getting decent speeds. Dialup is never* faster, that's just being sliiy [*excluding random network issues].

Maybe with the new hardware, they will be able to offer an Unlimited [no leeching, or you get it styled] service.

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  Reply # 107208 28-Jan-2008 16:24 Send private message

More like...

We'll offer you an Unlimited plan, with restricted speeds on specific data*.

*Specific data includes the following: BitTorrent, HTTP and other normal data commonly used by most of our customers.




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Yes, SS customer, use BT a lot, and buy data blocks, so as far as I am concerned, I have already
paid for the data, which is slow any way during peak time, throttling it down will annoy me but then
again, if all ISP's will do it we are stuck....

We shell see...





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They say, they 90% is illegal, so if they drop the speed by 90% they are are fighting this problem. *creative use of maths



Its not slingshots role to act as the interwebs police.




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  Reply # 107274 28-Jan-2008 21:43 Send private message

Throttling P2P traffic on a "flat rate" or "unlimited" plan has become the norm overseas. It's also the basis of some nasty legal lawsuits being threatened in the USA at present against a certain ISP who decided they were going to do this.

So what's the problem? I pay for an internet connection and here in NZ most of us pay for a plan with a cap. Why should any ISP be telling me how I can use my data cap? I don't see any issue with doing this for plans such as Go Large but introducing traffic shaping on regular plans is taking things way too far IMHO.


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  Reply # 107283 28-Jan-2008 22:28 Send private message

One does have to wonder the point of throtling P2P on a limited data plan. If a customer buys 15Gb, it makes absolutly no difference how they use that 15Gb.

Smacks of bowing to the MAFIAA





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  Reply # 107286 28-Jan-2008 22:33 Send private message

Maybe they'll gain even more revenue by selling 'restriction-free' data blocks at twice the price they've got now... Laughing




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  Reply # 107290 28-Jan-2008 22:41 Send private message

Just because they will be throttle or shaping there traffic, doesn't mean it will be cut to zero,
They might just slow it to a bandwidth limit.  So you may have an unlimited plan but you will only get 32KBp/s on  ie torrents.

This new hardware will also make Voip  calling better as it can shape the voip packets so they get through quickly. 



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  Reply # 107291 28-Jan-2008 22:45 Send private message

Giving VoIP priority is different from reducing speeds for protocols slingshot decide are bad!




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  Reply # 107292 28-Jan-2008 22:45 Send private message

They could also use what iinet-ihug used to use: peak/off-peak data (and restrictions).

That would be a nightmare to handle though.




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