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Topic # 34207 21-May-2009 12:06 Send private message

Woah - that was wierd. Reposting as not exactly sure what happened with the last one?


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I am helping out my brother with some of his IT issues (turns out that casual offers of help can turn into a full time career...)


To cut a long story short, we ended up with ADSL broadband, and a couple of 2talk VOIP lines all running out of a Linksys WAG54GP2 modem/router. There is also a VPN tunnel connected to an identical Linksys up in Auckland. On the same line (with a filter) is running the POTS line used for EFTPOS.


This was all running very well with Vodafone providing said line. Due to a couple of different issues ($$$) we made the decision to switch to Orcon, and everything has pretty much gone downhill since then.


In particular, the internet (and hence VOIP connection) is patchy at best. The speeds have improved somewhat over the last day or so (gone from 1 meg to 6 meg download speed), but the patchiness of the connection (dropping in and out, long pauses before loading a page, dropped calls) makes it pretty much unuseable.


Bigger problem however is that the EFTPOS machine struggles to process transactions - it is continually timing out and having to reconnect, which means transactions are not processed.


We've spoken to Orcon who have suggested various things (credit where credit is due, they are awesome to deal with on the phone) - apparently the "noise ratio" was very high, and they have tried adjusting that at their end (this was probably responsible for the improved speed) but hasn't noticeably seemed to improve the quality, nor the EFTPOS connection.


They have also suggested not using the Linksys box, rather using their Homehub/Business hub (I gather this is a Siemens gigaset). Problem with that is it doesn't seem to have a bridge mode, and Orcon have deactivated the VOIP ports (and I have no idea about the VPN...), so I don't see how I could use both boxes.


I may well have missed something along the way (I don't know much about how this stuff works at a technical level), but I don't see how changing the router would necessarily make a difference, given the EFTPOS line doesn't go anywhere near it. But have I totally missed something here? Does EFTPOS not play nicely with ADSL? How is it different from a normal phonecall?


This is in the Wellington CBD, and from what I gather is an unbundled Orcon line.


I'm realistic that with cheaper options (VOIP etc.) come some costs in terms of call quality, reliability etc. But the quality has gone massively downhill since shifting from an identical set up with a different provider. AND the EFTPOS line at least is pretty important, so we stuck with a basic line - but it still doesn't seem to work reliably.


So, my question is what can I do to improve the quality of the connection, both the internet/VOIP and the EFTPOS (POTS)? Is it an Orcon issue or is it something that I am doing?


Any advice most appreciated.


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  Reply # 216622 21-May-2009 12:26 Send private message

Where in the DBD are you? Directly or somewhere on the outskirts that's potentially been moved over to a new cabinet?

Has it worked fine at all with Orcon or has it been bad since you moved?




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  Reply # 216639 21-May-2009 13:16 Send private message

Its in Cuba Mall (Left Bank). So far as I know, its the Wellington Central exchange (although for some obscure reason, speedtest.net seems to think we're in Auckland).


Its been bad ever since we moved to Orcon (it was fine with Vodafone).


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  Reply # 216642 21-May-2009 13:26 Send private message

Have you tried a different modem?

The Linksys WAG's have been known to not work very well on unbundled exchanges.


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  Reply # 216650 21-May-2009 13:38 Send private message

No, I haven't as yet (couldn;t get the homehub to work at all, but I think I know what the issue was). My concern with the homehub was making the other bits and pieces (VOIP, VPN) work. Still, it would at least resolve the issue I suppose.


Would this affect the POTS line too though? i.e. why would using a router that doesn't play nicely affect the EFTPOS?

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  Reply # 216651 21-May-2009 13:39 Send private message

The Linksys WAG's don't work very well. 


Fixed your statement

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  Reply # 216656 21-May-2009 13:43 Send private message

Any other phones/modems without filters? Maybe some non-obvious ones, e.g., monitored alarms, intercom etc?

I assume you've tried unplugging the ADSL and seeing if the EFTPOS gets better or unplugging the EFTPOS machine and seeing if the broadband gets better?

When I switched to one of Orcon's unbundled ports, my broadband performance suffered hugely (30-40% packet loss), until I realised I had a phone in the spare room plugged in without a filter, which hadn't been a problem with whatever was in the previous cabinet I was connected to (Telecom).

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  Reply # 216657 21-May-2009 13:45 Send private message

Ragnor:
The Linksys WAG's don't work very well. 


Fixed your statement



Yeah, I've noticed this too. I inherited it because of the existing VPN. I have a WRT with DD-WRT at home and it is nigh on bulletproof. I would love it if there was a DD-WRT for the WAG.

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  Reply # 216661 21-May-2009 13:49 Send private message

Perrin: Any other phones/modems without filters? Maybe some non-obvious ones, e.g., monitored alarms, intercom etc?



I assume you've tried unplugging the ADSL and seeing if the EFTPOS gets better or unplugging the EFTPOS machine and seeing if the broadband gets better?



When I switched to one of Orcon's unbundled ports, my broadband performance suffered hugely (30-40% packet loss), until I realised I had a phone in the spare room plugged in without a filter, which hadn't been a problem with whatever was in the previous cabinet I was connected to (Telecom).




Definately nothing else going anywhere near the line, only the EFTPOS and the router. Yes, have tried just using one or the other, but doesn't seem to make a difference (though part of the problem is its so erratic that it is hard to tell what has made a difference and what has not).

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  Reply # 216663 21-May-2009 13:50 Send private message

And have tried using a couple of different filters.

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  Reply # 216879 22-May-2009 08:39 Send private message

MDF

Eftpos Fastconnect doesn't work very well, on the POTS line. Check with your eftpos vendor if fastconnect can be disabled.

Also, Orcon offer the Work@Home package now, which can have up to 3 lines, 2 using VOIP off a homehub plus the 1 Pots line. Eftpos works well on the homehub lines.

Maybe something to think about instead of replacing the WAG.


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  Reply # 216964 22-May-2009 13:25 Send private message

Sounddude: MDF



Eftpos Fastconnect doesn't work very well, on the POTS line. Check with your eftpos vendor if fastconnect can be disabled.



Also, Orcon offer the Work@Home package now, which can have up to 3 lines, 2 using VOIP off a homehub plus the 1 Pots line. Eftpos works well on the homehub lines.



Maybe something to think about instead of replacing the WAG.






Cheers, many thanks for this. Will ring EFTPOS now!


Does the work@home have another name? I can only find the gold/silver/purple etc. packages on the Orcon website (I'm sure there's a pretty obvious answer to this that I will go duh too).


Who provides the VOIP solution? One of the reasons they wanted 2talk to start with was the autoattendant feature (i.e. press 1 for retail, 2 for wholesale)? Does this exist with the Orcon voip calling, or can I use any VOIP provider?


If I can get it going, I will look at other alternatives for the VPN.

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