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Topic # 111857 16-Nov-2012 21:45 Send private message

Hi,

I would like to log HTTP traffic through Orcon Genius. We all have 4 laptops, 2 smartphones, a tablet, an internet-connected TV, and game console. I'd like to know what internet traffic each device is causing.

Initially I was hoping I could do this with just the Orcon Genius. Unfortunately, The firmware UI doesn't allow it. Fortunately, it runs Linux, so I could enable it. And fortunately, it is running a telnet service open to the LAN. Unfortunately, no username/password combination I tried worked. Furthermore, Orcon support say "this service has been locked down in the firmware. There is nothing we can do to get this open for you.", which sounds suspiciously like nonsense to me: Why have telnetd running at all if it can't be used? Either they forgot to turn it off when customising the BoB2 firmware, or there really is a secret username/password somewhere that will let me get shell access so I can try to set up some logging. I've given up on Orcon support; they haven't been able to suggest any useful ideas for logging traffic.

So, what are my other options for being able to log traffic?
Should I get a switch with wireless, hook it up to orcon, and connect all my devices to the switch? And run some openwrt-derived software on the switch? If so, any switch recommendations?
Should I get a simple ADSL modem and get the orcon genius to access the internet via LAN to the modem? Will openwrt on a plain modem be able to tell the traffic apart for different devices in the LAN, or would the orcon genius already have done some sort of translation?
Any other ideas?

Cheers,
Carl.

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  Reply # 718517 16-Nov-2012 21:54 Send private message

They are not lying, you really can't login to telnet and/or SSH on the box (even though the ports are open).  

Believe me, a few of us have spent hard cycles trying to brute-force them.

As far as logging traffic, there are plenty of ways to achieve it - I think you're on the right track.  Not sure that any "switch" will run openwrt, but there are any number of routers that'll do it.  Just sit your router behind Genius, configure Genius to use it as a DMZ address, and you're away.


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  Reply # 718524 16-Nov-2012 22:24 Send private message

Thanks.

Any hardware recommendations? I have plenty of Linux experience, but am an openwrt noob.

The TP-Link TL-WR1043N seems quite cheap, is popular on pricespy, and is also supported by openwrt. 

Worth it?


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  Reply # 718532 16-Nov-2012 22:55 Send private message

No personal experience with that router, but it should do the job :)  I'm sure others have that router and can provide feedback.

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  Reply # 718586 17-Nov-2012 06:53 Send private message

The only problem with that idea is that it will introduce a double NAT setup, which is far from ideal.

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  Reply # 718642 17-Nov-2012 09:43 Send private message

sbiddle: The only problem with that idea is that it will introduce a double NAT setup, which is far from ideal.


The Non-genius modem doesn't have to run NAT though, it could actually route the private subnets, leaving the genius to do the NAT.





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  Reply # 718686 17-Nov-2012 11:41 Send private message

ubergeeknz: They are not lying, you really can't login to telnet and/or SSH on the box (even though the ports are open).  

Believe me, a few of us have spent hard cycles trying to brute-force them.

As far as logging traffic, there are plenty of ways to achieve it - I think you're on the right track.  Not sure that any "switch" will run openwrt, but there are any number of routers that'll do it.  Just sit your router behind Genius, configure Genius to use it as a DMZ address, and you're away.


It's probable that like with the Siemens Gigaset you guys issue that the root account requires certificate authentication.

(Question of the day, why exactly do you guys have SSH open on the WAN port of the Gigasets but not the LAN port?  Especially with a well documented way of logging into them and getting root access!)

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  Reply # 718779 17-Nov-2012 15:05 Send private message

Thanks for your answers.

I'm going to pick up a router Monday/Tuesday and see if I can get something working during the week.

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  Reply # 718780 17-Nov-2012 15:05 Send private message

Thanks for your answers.

I'm going to pick up a router Monday/Tuesday and see if I can get something working during the week.

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  Reply # 719479 19-Nov-2012 13:20 Send private message

Yeah i was hoping to do the same thing. We just moved to Orcon Genius and had a RT-N13u B1 router with DD-WRT installed on it however I was hoping to do away with the RT-N13U and do bandwidth monitoring with the Genius. I hadnt set up bandwidth monitoring on the RT but was looking into it. thought that bandwidthd would be good if i could get it onto the RT but havent tried yet. I did try wrtbwmon but that slowed it down a bit every 5 seconds for a brief period.
Also just found http://csdprojects.co.uk/ddwrt/ which might be what you want tho it is basd on wrtbwmon but we only knew that it was slowing down because my flatmate was playing DOTA2 and could see the ping increase.

BTW don't get the RT-N13U router, its good but not supported by alot of alternative firmwares.

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  Reply # 719519 19-Nov-2012 14:27 Send private message

Sounddude:
sbiddle: The only problem with that idea is that it will introduce a double NAT setup, which is far from ideal.


The Non-genius modem doesn't have to run NAT though, it could actually route the private subnets, leaving the genius to do the NAT.


You don't even need to route, you could bridge the LAN and WAN ports and use a libpcap-based (i.e. traffic sniffing) accounting system.

This also has the advantage that your PCs will be able to do UPNP NAT traversal because they'll be on the same layer2 as the router.

I have a TL-WR1043ND.  They are good little openwrt boxes.

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