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Topic # 103471 7-Jun-2012 21:09 Send private message

NZ TV: 'Dumbed-down dross'

 
Planning a holiday in New Zealand? Keen to ski the Southern Alps, gasp at the astonishing scenery, mix with the laid-back locals?

No worries. NZ delivers on the travel agents' hyperbole and getting $1.30 for every Aussie dollar means a cappuccino a day is affordable. Local wines won't rot wallets either, even with 15 per cent GST.

Australians will find their neighbour a modern, functioning, well-organised society with all the expected goods and services, little different to their homeland. Except for one – no ABC TV equivalent.
At the end of June Channel Seven will fade to black, leaving NZ as the only country in the OECD without a commercial-free mainstream public service television station.What's happening across the Tasman is a distressing example of what happens when the principles of public service broadcasting are corrupted by commercialism and administered by Philistines.

The National (equivalent to Australia's Liberal Party) government is refusing to maintain funding of Seven – about NZ $15 million a year - through TVNZ.

(Maori TV, the national indigenous broadcaster is still getting NZ $50 million a year. This is monocultural, not SBS-style television. Although Maori currently form 15 per cent of the population it's estimated that Asians will be the largest ethnic minority after 2026.)

TVNZ used to be organised and funded like the ABC. But nine years ago it became a Crown entity (a government owned corporation) with two roles – returning profit and maintaining public broadcasting.

As anyone who has been involved in the industry knows, the two are incompatible. TVNZ's Channels One and Two are commercial, Seven is not.

According to the Minister of Revenue Peter Dunne, TVNZ runs "the worst channel in the country … crass, superficial, lowest common denominator rubbish."

In case people didn't get the point he put in the boot by adding that One is "too obsessed with its own self-imagined `stars' and the culture surrounding them to have any credible claim on being a legitimate national broadcaster."

Every week 1,000 Kiwis shift permanently to Australia chasing higher wages and better weather. What Seven supporters call the "dumbed-down dross" of One must also be another factor in some escapees' decisions to flee.

But the government has refused to budge. Former Broadcasting Minister Jonathan Coleman said Seven attracted about 207,000 viewers a week, compared with the 600,000 people who tuned in nightly to Channel One News, so wasn't worth saving.

With these figures the nation's newspapers, tabloid in content if not size, were not prepared to back viewers wanting to maintain public broadcasting, tarring them as the chattering classes with faddish minority tastes.

Then Freedom of Information statistics showed Seven and Six (a children's channel that's already closed) had 2.1 million viewers a month. The Minister sniffed that the numbers didn't actually matter because the argument was really about money, though the language became a mite more moderate. Even more so when public meetings across the country backing Seven drew huge crowds from their wood-burners, even on icy evenings.

Australians reading this might assume that Seven has been an ABC look-alike. Sadly no. There have been too many reruns, no drama, tired and repetitive teasers and minimal promotion. Knowing it's heading for the archives isn't a great inducement for creative programming.

However Seven's shows on law, architecture, the media, art, history and politics have been excellent. The single-presenter one-hour news has run interviews beyond the standard 40-second attention span and given space to overseas events.

Until the government's plans to close Seven generated news, few knew of the station's existence. Although they come from the same stable One and Two have kept mum on Seven for fear this might drive viewers from its commercials.

Former Greens MP Sue Kedgley, who has been leading attempts to rescue Seven, said Kiwis were "thirsty for programmes that tell our stories, and explore our issues." Presumably so are visitors, curious about the land they're touring.

"With the demise of public service television, we'll see fewer and fewer NZ programmes because it's so much cheaper to buy American re-runs," she said.

"Already we have one of the lowest amounts of local content in the world - around 20 per cent on average. Soon it will be wall-to-wall foreign programming."

So what to do? Wellington media academic Dr Peter Thompson claimed the station could be saved with one cent per person per day, but even this tiny amount would be painted as another impost and resisted in an already heavily taxed economy.

More acceptable would be re-regulating Sky so it pays to carry free-to-air channels, or a one per cent levy on the revenue of pay TV and Internet service providers. Thompson claims this fiscally neutral solution could raise NZ$50 million a year.

Things are a cat's whisker better for radio. Funding has been frozen for Radio NZ that runs a frequency for concert music and another for news and current affairs. Despite the restraints the National channel is equal to, and often better than, its Australian counterpart in quality and depth.

So far the government has been deaf to the protests. So if you're heading across the Ditch (as Kiwis call the Tasman) include skis, camera and radio (tuned to FM 101.1). But to watch something when the skies darken better pack a few DVDs.

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  Reply # 637536 7-Jun-2012 21:40 Send private message

That's an interesting perspective, although calling Maori TV channel monocultural is not really accurate.

It would be less accurate than calling TV One with it's 'quality' british dross content monocultural anyway.

Maori TV has higher quality programming than TV One IMHO.

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  Reply # 637637 8-Jun-2012 08:55 Send private message

gzt: That's an interesting perspective, although calling Maori TV channel monocultural is not really accurate.

It would be less accurate than calling TV One with it's 'quality' british dross content monocultural anyway.

Maori TV has higher quality programming than TV One IMHO.


Only if you like programs about 3rd world culture etc.

I disagree.  Maori TV is for Maoris and that's about it..  $50mil per year is a lot of money for it when they can't find $15 mil to keep TVNZ7 going which i suspect may have more viewers than Maori TV..




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  Reply # 637640 8-Jun-2012 09:06 Send private message

old3eyes:
gzt: That's an interesting perspective, although calling Maori TV channel monocultural is not really accurate.

It would be less accurate than calling TV One with it's 'quality' british dross content monocultural anyway.

Maori TV has higher quality programming than TV One IMHO.


Only if you like programs about 3rd world culture etc.

I disagree.  Maori TV is for Maoris and that's about it..  $50mil per year is a lot of money for it when they can't find $15 mil to keep TVNZ7 going which i suspect may have more viewers than Maori TV..


Perhaps, but the National Government doesn't rely on the 'Smart People's Party' for confidence and supply.

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  Reply # 637685 8-Jun-2012 10:18 Send private message

I'm personally not a fan of public broadcasting because authough the editorial quality is generally much higher than commercial broadcasting I don't believe it's possible for public broadcasters to achieve total political independance when their sole shareholder is the government.

With that in mind I haven't watched state television for many years, but TV3 does have some quality programming on Sunday mornings in the form of The Nation and Think Tank. Unfortunately prime time programming on TV3 is very much targetted to the pea-brained masses so I tend to find other things to do in the evenings.

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  Reply # 637694 8-Jun-2012 10:40 Send private message

Holy wow, that's rich considering the absolute drivel they show on Australian TV. We couldn't stand watching any of their channels except SBS when we lived there. If it's not awful sh*tcoms or soaps, it's sensationalist current affairs rubbish or reality tv gameshows.

It's an unreal pile of shyte.

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  Reply # 637699 8-Jun-2012 10:51 Send private message

gehenna: Holy wow, that's rich considering the absolute drivel they show on Australian TV. We couldn't stand watching any of their channels except SBS when we lived there. If it's not awful sh*tcoms or soaps, it's sensationalist current affairs rubbish or reality tv gameshows.

It's an unreal pile of shyte.


This

And their ads are way more annoying than ours to boot

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  Reply # 637716 8-Jun-2012 11:10 Send private message

Have you got a source for this? I would like to use it in the battle to preserve TV7 but need to know where it was published.

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  Reply # 637720 8-Jun-2012 11:14 Send private message

I'm a firm believer in abolishing NZ on Air, and shutting down any radio/tv station that is not a commercially successful entity in the absence of taxpayer funding.

My taxes should not be spent on "Shortland Street", "The GC", or any other crap.


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  Reply # 637721 8-Jun-2012 11:22 Send private message

Lias: I'm a firm believer in abolishing NZ on Air, and shutting down any radio/tv station that is not a commercially successful entity in the absence of taxpayer funding.

My taxes should not be spent on "Shortland Street", "The GC", or any other crap.


Its been over 15 years since any taxpayer money was spent on Shortland St, its quite the money maker for TVNZ at present. The GC and other crap are a different story.

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  Reply # 637724 8-Jun-2012 11:23 Send private message

To be fair the "dumbed-down dross" is a quote from "Seven [sic] supporters" (presumably quoted from here about TV One rather than a judgement made by the journalist.

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  Reply # 637725 8-Jun-2012 11:26 Send private message

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Lias: I'm a firm believer in abolishing NZ on Air, and shutting down any radio/tv station that is not a commercially successful entity in the absence of taxpayer funding.

My taxes should not be spent on "Shortland Street", "The GC", or any other crap.


Its been over 15 years since any taxpayer money was spent on Shortland St, its quite the money maker for TVNZ at present. The GC and other crap are a different story.

And so was SS 20 years ago. You never know what might be a new "treasure" in future.

P.S. The original source of the article is http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=13704

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  Reply # 637771 8-Jun-2012 12:41 Send private message

alasta: I'm personally not a fan of public broadcasting because authough the editorial quality is generally much higher than commercial broadcasting I don't believe it's possible for public broadcasters to achieve total political independance when their sole shareholder is the government.

With that in mind I haven't watched state television for many years, but TV3 does have some quality programming on Sunday mornings in the form of The Nation and Think Tank. Unfortunately prime time programming on TV3 is very much targetted to the pea-brained masses so I tend to find other things to do in the evenings.


I don't agree about you statement on partiality. These things are run as separate state owned entities. Infact if you look at the privately owned ones, they have their political leanings. TV 1 & 2 are not longer public broadcasting anyway. Only Seven is. Radio NZ will be the only remaining public broadcast medium after Seven closes, apart from maori which is sort of a public broadcast channel. I do agree though that their editorial content is far better on the public broadcast channels, but as they only have a limited budget, it is limited by this.

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  Reply # 637777 8-Jun-2012 12:46 Send private message

Lias: I'm a firm believer in abolishing NZ on Air, and shutting down any radio/tv station that is not a commercially successful entity in the absence of taxpayer funding.

My taxes should not be spent on "Shortland Street", "The GC", or any other crap.



Although you do need some public broadcasting, otherwise these commercial stations are free to push their own private political agenda to you. I think I would go mad if I didn't have radio NZ to listen to, and I had to listen to commercial stations with their low cost talkback 'shudder'. Most of the content on commercial TV is ratings driven. This is why we no longer get these in depth documentaries on FTA TV any more...well apart from on Seven.

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  Reply # 637793 8-Jun-2012 13:18

gehenna: Holy wow, that's rich considering the absolute drivel they show on Australian TV. We couldn't stand watching any of their channels except SBS when we lived there. If it's not awful sh*tcoms or soaps, it's sensationalist current affairs rubbish or reality tv gameshows.

It's an unreal pile of shyte.


I have to agree Aussie TV is pretty bad as a whole.

The one area they do have that is a HUGELY important difference and the point of the original article I think. They have pretty good in depth current affairs and news coverage. I think that where there isnt a solely ratings driven TV provider (which is usually the publicly funded provider), they make more of an effort to actually investigate and report on news - and train journalists.

Just look at the last couple of years on TV here - The camera crew cant wait to shove a camera in the face of someone who has just lost family. Those triplets that died in the fire in a mall, the pike river disaster - pretty anyone that they can get emotional minutes to try and flog their programs. The Christchurch earthquake coverage was good - at the start, but also tried to get into the personal space of grieving people. I get it - of course they are upset - do we need to see people crying?

I often find I am watching close up/Campbell live and thinking - why dont you ask what seem like obvious questions to try and actually get information - instead you get John Campbell or Mark Sainsbury frothing at the mouth and barking or sucking up to the interviewee depending on how they seem to like the person (or not).

I would have to say that the last of the really good TV interviewers is probably Mike Hosking - He can actually grill a person and always seems well prepared. I am old enough to remember the Ian Fraser and Bryan Edwards days. They actually made politicians squirm and often pried an honest comment from them occasionally. There is great skill to journalism - but these days its the 5 second sound/picture bite.




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  Reply # 637800 8-Jun-2012 13:32 Send private message

robjg63:
gehenna: Holy wow, that's rich considering the absolute drivel they show on Australian TV. We couldn't stand watching any of their channels except SBS when we lived there. If it's not awful sh*tcoms or soaps, it's sensationalist current affairs rubbish or reality tv gameshows.

It's an unreal pile of shyte.


I have to agree Aussie TV is pretty bad as a whole.

The one area they do have that is a HUGELY important difference and the point of the original article I think. They have pretty good in depth current affairs and news coverage. I think that where there isnt a?solely?ratings driven TV provider (which is usually the publicly funded provider), they make more of an effort to actually investigate and report on news - and train journalists.

Just look at the last couple of years on TV here - The camera crew cant wait to shove a camera in the face of someone who has just lost family. Those triplets that died in the fire in a mall, the pike river disaster - pretty anyone that they can get emotional minutes to try and flog their programs. The Christchurch earthquake coverage was good - at the start, but also tried to get into the personal space of grieving people. I get it - of course they are upset - do we need to see people crying?

I often find I am watching close up/Campbell live and thinking - why dont you ask what seem like obvious questions to try and actually get information - instead you get John Campbell or Mark Sainsbury frothing at the mouth and barking or sucking up to the interviewee depending on how they seem to like the person (or not).

I would have to say that the last of the really good TV interviewers is probably Mike Hosking - He can actually grill a person and always seems well prepared. I am old enough to remember the Ian Fraser and Bryan Edwards days. They actually made politicians squirm and often?pried?an honest comment from them occasionally. There is great skill to journalism - but these days its the 5 second sound/picture bite.


I say bring back the old documentaries we used to got.One problem with commerical tv, is that you can't pee off the advertisers. I think this is one reason we don't get those really good probing interviews on commerical TV, which you do get with radio NZ.

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