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  Reply # 547378 20-Nov-2011 10:03 Send private message

just on value check out the price of Talk100 on Vodafone prepay and the price on 2Degrees prepay




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  Reply # 547772 21-Nov-2011 11:27 Send private message

johnr: just on value check out the price of Talk100 on Vodafone prepay and the price on 2Degrees prepay


Just to make sure I get this right. Supa Prepay has no monthly charge but does cost $29.95 for the SIM. Then if you like talking a lot you add Talk100 for $25 and you get Best Mate anyway. It's not clear how much data or how many texts are included in the base plan but it looks like you get 50MB of data and 2500 texts for a month.

On 2D the base 100 minutes addon is $30 so one could argue that VF is better here.

But sensibly if you want to optimise your spending and get the best value you would go for the 2D $29.95 monthly (not contract) plan.

For that you get 60 minutes of minutes that can carry over 100 bonus minutes, 2500 texts and 50MB data. There is no best mate so if you talk a lot to one person (more than 60 minutes) then VF is likely to be better. So one has to look at one's calling patterns and make decisions accordingly.




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  Reply # 547785 21-Nov-2011 11:37 Send private message

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johnr: just on value check out the price of Talk100 on Vodafone prepay and the price on 2Degrees prepay


Just to make sure I get this right. Supa Prepay has no monthly charge but does cost $29.95 for the SIM. Then if you like talking a lot you add Talk100 for $25 and you get Best Mate anyway. It's not clear how much data or how many texts are included in the base plan but it looks like you get 50MB of data and 2500 texts for a month.

On 2D the base 100 minutes addon is $30 so one could argue that VF is better here.

But sensibly if you want to optimise your spending and get the best value you would go for the 2D $29.95 monthly (not contract) plan.

For that you get 60 minutes of minutes that can carry over 100 bonus minutes, 2500 texts and 50MB data. There is no best mate so if you talk a lot to one person (more than 60 minutes) then VF is likely to be better. So one has to look at one's calling patterns and make decisions accordingly.


I don’t think it’s especially relevant to compare prepaid and postpaid plans.  People don’t pick prepaid because it is better value (it almost never is), they pick it because of the control.

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  Reply # 547800 21-Nov-2011 12:13 Send private message

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lchiu7:
johnr: just on value check out the price of Talk100 on Vodafone prepay and the price on 2Degrees prepay


Just to make sure I get this right. Supa Prepay has no monthly charge but does cost $29.95 for the SIM. Then if you like talking a lot you add Talk100 for $25 and you get Best Mate anyway. It's not clear how much data or how many texts are included in the base plan but it looks like you get 50MB of data and 2500 texts for a month.

On 2D the base 100 minutes addon is $30 so one could argue that VF is better here.

But sensibly if you want to optimise your spending and get the best value you would go for the 2D $29.95 monthly (not contract) plan.

For that you get 60 minutes of minutes that can carry over 100 bonus minutes, 2500 texts and 50MB data. There is no best mate so if you talk a lot to one person (more than 60 minutes) then VF is likely to be better. So one has to look at one's calling patterns and make decisions accordingly.


I don?t think it?s especially relevant to compare prepaid and postpaid plans. ?People don?t pick prepaid because it is better value (it almost never is), they pick it because of the control.


There is some truth in that and even more when we didn't have monthly plans but contracted plans for certain periods with penalties for early termination. But the situation is muddied now somewhat with monthly plans with no term or penalty.

So if you thought that Talk100 on VF was something you might want to do regularly then the 2D monthly plan would make sense. If you only wanted the minutes for a month, then as you, prepaid is better since you only buy it when you want it.




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techmeister: It just annoys me that I had to get my daughter(that was on 2degrees) a VF sim card because here friends (all VF) could not TXT her back, I guess it is how VF trap their customers and in fact sucks others in.
Lets not forget if it were not for 2D we would all be paying twice as much.

It is a little wide of the mark to blame a telco for a decision that either you, your daughter, or all her friends made about who they wanted to use to get the best deal. But it is a typical reaction from some people.

Do you choose what petrol to put in your car based on, flybys, AA rewards, supermarket vouchers, company requirements, or none of these?  Every knows there's no discount vouchers or loyalty schemes thru Caltex... but they're still in business. 

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  Reply # 547802 21-Nov-2011 12:13 Send private message

NonprayingMantis: People don’t pick prepaid because it is better value (it almost never is), they pick it because of the control.


Which is why on 2degrees we give you that control on postpay too.




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  Reply # 547817 21-Nov-2011 12:38 Send private message

Hopefully one day this discussion will be irrelevant because we will just pay for data (be it voice, text messages, or other data).

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  Reply # 547822 21-Nov-2011 12:46 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
NonprayingMantis: People don’t pick prepaid because it is better value (it almost never is), they pick it because of the control.


Which is why on 2degrees we give you that control on postpay too.


Oh really? So if I’m on 2degrees postpaid and decide that I only want to spend $10 next month how would I do that without switching to prepaid?

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  Reply # 547829 21-Nov-2011 13:03 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
SaltyNZ:
NonprayingMantis: People don’t pick prepaid because it is better value (it almost never is), they pick it because of the control.


Which is why on 2degrees we give you that control on postpay too.


Oh really? So if I’m on 2degrees postpaid and decide that I only want to spend $10 next month how would I do that without switching to prepaid?


Good call




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  Reply # 547833 21-Nov-2011 13:10 Send private message

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coffeebaron: Then what about non mobile? I have free on net calling with Worldxchange, VFX-VFX. Should this be ended too?


And "free" local calls, but that can't be ended - the law says free local calling must be offered by law by Telecom to residential customers, so other providers offering a PLV solution don't really have a choice but to match this!


Hmm.  With the de-merger, is Telecom still bound to this?  My understanding is that these obligations fall to Chorus now, who don't have a retail arm.  Could this potentially lead to the end of free local calling?

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  Reply # 547853 21-Nov-2011 13:36 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
SaltyNZ:
NonprayingMantis: People don?t pick prepaid because it is better value (it almost never is), they pick it because of the control.


Which is why on 2degrees we give you that control on postpay too.


Oh really? So if I?m on 2degrees postpaid and decide that I only want to spend $10 next month how would I do that without switching to prepaid?


Ok, sure, the minimum you can spend on pay monthly is $29. But you can set up your account so that you will never spend more than that $29.




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  Reply # 548072 21-Nov-2011 20:13 Send private message

oxnsox:
techmeister: It just annoys me that I had to get my daughter(that was on 2degrees) a VF sim card because here friends (all VF) could not TXT her back, I guess it is how VF trap their customers and in fact sucks others in.
Lets not forget if it were not for 2D we would all be paying twice as much.

It is a little wide of the mark to blame a telco for a decision that either you, your daughter, or all her friends made about who they wanted to use to get the best deal. But it is a typical reaction from some people.

Do you choose what petrol to put in your car based on, flybys, AA rewards, supermarket vouchers, company requirements, or none of these?  Every knows there's no discount vouchers or loyalty schemes thru Caltex... but they're still in business. 


Not exactly sure what you mean, I originally got my daughter a 2D sim card because for $10 a month she could have 2500 txt to any network where as VF's 2500 txt for $10 you could only txt other VF people, it's a no brainer really. Only problem is she complained that her friends (all on VF) could not txt her back, so I told her to tell her friends to get a 2D sim card it's a better deal, her friends told her that 2d sucks, I guess 13 year olds are not known for their clear thinking logic, so I had to get a VF sim.
I guess I should not really blame VF it's just good business,  they can charge their customers $12 a month (don't think that was even an option for them back then) for 2500 txt a month to any network and get away with it and 2D cannot, simply because VF are cooler.Wink





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oxnsox:
techmeister: It just annoys me that I had to get my daughter(that was on 2degrees) a VF sim card because here friends (all VF) could not TXT her back, I guess it is how VF trap their customers and in fact sucks others in.
Lets not forget if it were not for 2D we would all be paying twice as much.

It is a little wide of the mark to blame a telco for a decision that either you, your daughter, or all her friends made about who they wanted to use to get the best deal. But it is a typical reaction from some people.

Do you choose what petrol to put in your car based on, flybys, AA rewards, supermarket vouchers, company requirements, or none of these?  Every knows there's no discount vouchers or loyalty schemes thru Caltex... but they're still in business. 


Not exactly sure what you mean, I originally got my daughter a 2D sim card because for $10 a month she could have 2500 txt to any network where as VF's 2500 txt for $10 you could only txt other VF people, it's a no brainer really. Only problem is she complained that her friends (all on VF) could not txt her back, so I told her to tell her friends to get a 2D sim card it's a better deal, her friends told her that 2d sucks, I guess 13 year olds are not known for their clear thinking logic, so I had to get a VF sim.
I guess I should not really blame VF it's just good business,  they can charge their customers $12 a month (don't think that was even an option for them back then) for 2500 txt a month to any network and get away with it and 2D cannot, simply because VF are cooler.Wink



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  Reply # 548086 21-Nov-2011 20:51 Send private message

oxnsox: Every knows there's no discount vouchers or loyalty schemes thru Caltex... but they're still in business. 

Couldn't be further from the truth. Not sure where you got your information from.

Caltex is part of the AA Smartfuel loyalty scheme. 




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johnr:
techmeister:
oxnsox:
techmeister: It just annoys me that I had to get my daughter(that was on 2degrees) a VF sim card because here friends (all VF) could not TXT her back, I guess it is how VF trap their customers and in fact sucks others in.
Lets not forget if it were not for 2D we would all be paying twice as much.

It is a little wide of the mark to blame a telco for a decision that either you, your daughter, or all her friends made about who they wanted to use to get the best deal. But it is a typical reaction from some people.

Do you choose what petrol to put in your car based on, flybys, AA rewards, supermarket vouchers, company requirements, or none of these?  Every knows there's no discount vouchers or loyalty schemes thru Caltex... but they're still in business. 


Not exactly sure what you mean, I originally got my daughter a 2D sim card because for $10 a month she could have 2500 txt to any network where as VF's 2500 txt for $10 you could only txt other VF people, it's a no brainer really. Only problem is she complained that her friends (all on VF) could not txt her back, so I told her to tell her friends to get a 2D sim card it's a better deal, her friends told her that 2d sucks, I guess 13 year olds are not known for their clear thinking logic, so I had to get a VF sim.
I guess I should not really blame VF it's just good business,  they can charge their customers $12 a month (don't think that was even an option for them back then) for 2500 txt a month to any network and get away with it and 2D cannot, simply because VF are cooler.Wink



And you can have TXTNZ and TXT5000 at the same time :P Think of the RSI


How anyone can do 5000 txt a month is beyond me, I do 10 a month. 




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