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  Reply # 701649 15-Oct-2012 17:34 Send private message

amanzi:
KiwiNZ: it's possible to hack a Bank terminal or intercept a Eftpos terminal so those should all be immediately taken off line.


Nice trolling...


Not really, it was actually a kinda lame attempt at trolling.

I hope someone has screenshot his statements regarding the MSD knowing about this problem for at least a couple of weeks. Along with his numerous statements saying that he had inside knowledge.

They may become useful to Mr Ng in court :-)

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  Reply # 701653 15-Oct-2012 17:37 Send private message

KiwiNZ: [snip]

my point was nearly every device, server etc has vulnerabilities taking systems offline because of risks is just not always feasible.  


This statement of yours is absolutely correct.

A vulnerability would need to be serious, easy to exploit, involve sensitive data and have no real audit trail before someone should consider immediately taking a system offline - and the systems would need to be not critical to the core business functions of the company.

Now, do you think the public access terminals being discussed here fit that description?

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 701656 15-Oct-2012 17:43 Send private message

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Talkiet:
KiwiNZ: [snip]

my point was nearly every device, server etc has vulnerabilities taking systems offline because of risks is just not always feasible.  


This statement of yours is absolutely correct.

A vulnerability would need to be serious, easy to exploit, involve sensitive data and have no real audit trail before someone should consider immediately taking a system offline - and the systems would need to be not critical to the core business functions of the company.

Now, do you think the public access terminals being discussed here fit that description?

Cheers - N



I agree, however iam prepared to wait until the FULL facts are known,  even the the thread title is wrong and alarmist. How much security did the intruder have to break in order to get in, was he using a third parties access to get in, etc etc etc 


I advise you to read the original post by Mr Ng to answer those questions.

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 701657 15-Oct-2012 17:45 Send private message

Talkiet:
KiwiNZ: [snip]

my point was nearly every device, server etc has vulnerabilities taking systems offline because of risks is just not always feasible.  


This statement of yours is absolutely correct.

A vulnerability would need to be serious, easy to exploit, involve sensitive data and have no real audit trail before someone should consider immediately taking a system offline - and the systems would need to be not critical to the core business functions of the company.

Now, do you think the public access terminals being discussed here fit that description?

Cheers - N



^ THIS.

KiwiNZ - I really don't think that you are grasping the seriousness of this situation, at least your posts demonstrate you do not.




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  Reply # 701675 15-Oct-2012 18:17 Send private message

I wonder how many other departments with public facing terminals have quietly launched their own security audits today? :D

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  Reply # 701679 15-Oct-2012 18:27 Send private message

The guy that decided hooking up public facing terminals to the corporate LAN was a good idea should get fired, end of. Any even semi competent tech would never even consider such a thing. As mentioned previously this is trivial to do with vlans if it wasn't feasible to have two physically disparate networks. So much face palm :8




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  Reply # 701695 15-Oct-2012 18:50 Send private message

Here, changed the subject to reflect reality then.




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Reply # 701715 15-Oct-2012 19:15 Send private message

Kyanar: Really?  freitasm, is KiwiNZ coming from an MSD IP address?  Because he seems to be claiming to have special insight into this case that I can't imagine anyone bar MSD IT having.

No, MSD IT cannot have those insights yet.

MSD IT staff are waiting on a service request trying to get half the permissions those kiosks have...

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  Reply # 701720 15-Oct-2012 19:21 Send private message

Given KiwiNZ's apparent lack of understanding of the seriousness of this breach, and their comments implying they may have worked on MSD systems, speaks volumes about why this sort of thing happens.




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  Reply # 701731 15-Oct-2012 19:34 Send private message

Kyanar: Really?  freitasm, is KiwiNZ coming from an MSD IP address?


You know I cannot say anything about this to you - or anyone else really.







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  Reply # 701765 15-Oct-2012 20:47 Send private message

And the company behind the kiosk is... Dimension Data:


"Dimension Data was responsible for the security testing of the system, having conducted an audit on the kiosks earlier this year, but found no hole.

Dimension Data did not respond to request for comment by the time of publication.

The kiosks, which run an old version of Windows, 2000 or XP, had some protections in place to prevent unauthorised access."







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  Reply # 701784 15-Oct-2012 20:56 Send private message

freitasm: And the company behind the kiosk is... Dimension Data


From DiData's NZ regional page:

....Already more than thirty agencies have joined one.govt including Department of Conservation, Ministry of Education, New Zealand Police and Department of Labour.




edit: not that that means anything really, just how embedded they are in our government agencies.




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  Reply # 701795 15-Oct-2012 21:24 Send private message

gzt:
Kyanar: ... he seems to be claiming to have special insight into this case that I can't imagine anyone bar MSD IT having.

No, MSD IT cannot have those insights yet. MSD IT staff are waiting on a service request trying to get half the permissions those kiosks have...


Sooooo funny! love it gzt Smile

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  Reply # 701838 15-Oct-2012 23:31 Send private message

freitasm: And the story goes deeper now. MSD decided that an ad hominen attack would be a good move and ratted out the source.


I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the MSD don't seem have any regard for privacy.

/bitterness

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