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Topic # 81134 8-Apr-2011 14:54 Send private message

The current environment is 9 workstations (desktops, laptops), 3x Mac OS and 6x Windows and a server running SBS 2003.

For the Windows machines, a few are still running Windows XP Pro, 1x Vista and a few on Win7 now.  They are all are using Office 2003 pro (appear to be retail versions) connected to Exchange 2003 (SBS 2003).

The Mac machines are all fairly new running 10.6, they appear to be running retail versions of office 2004 for mac.  For email the connection to exchange 2003 is via Apple Mail using pop/smtp.. I presume this is because Entourage sucks and Exchange2003 IMAP performance is pretty bad/buggy with Apple Mail clients.

So lets say we need:

SBS 7
3x Office 2011 for Mac
6x Office 2010 for Windows 

They don't need any new hardware at this point, there is enough tech savvy for installation and configuration to be done in house but it could be contracted out to a IT services company if the cost vs time saving was worthwhile.

They are not currently a MS partner, looks like they had an action pack back in the day when they were a larger company before one part of the business was sold off.  

The inhouse developers have an MSDN subscription for their stuff so that covers Win7, VS2010 and SQLServer for 2-3 of the windows machines but of course does not include Office.

I've suggested Google Apps and BPOS/Office 365 but given the size of attachments they deal with and size of existing mailboxes, increased international data usage they are not keen.

So my question is really what is best way to acquire the licenses they need?

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  Reply # 457266 10-Apr-2011 18:01 Send private message

They could try to get an open value subscription + software assurance, that way they can also keep up to date each time MS releases a new version of office etc.

They'll need to do the maths to see whether the action pack route or retail route would be best for SBS.

Should also be able to contact someone like Intellium or Ingram Micro who can put some sort of package together.



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  Reply # 457278 10-Apr-2011 18:53 Send private message

Yeah not much to do other than point them to some MS partners/IT services companies to get quotes, I think they have a Ingram account so that's probably an option too.

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  Reply # 460168 18-Apr-2011 15:29 Send private message

Insane, they would need to meet the criteria for MAPS, and doesn't sound like they would. Just because they are a technology company doesn't make them eligible.

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  Reply # 460330 18-Apr-2011 22:51 Send private message

networkn: Insane, they would need to meet the criteria for MAPS, and doesn't sound like they would. Just because they are a technology company doesn't make them eligible.


That is true, however isn't the entry requirements only like 5 systems? I'm probably getting confused with Open Value though.

Man I swear they make things complicated just to try ping you at audit time which we're getting done for the second time in six months, I think they were pissed after their last two week long audit which showed we didn't owe them a cent. Random audits my ass.

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  Reply # 460359 19-Apr-2011 06:34 Send private message

Yeah, I'd start with the Licence Quote Desk at Ingram - they would be the easiest ones to quote, and they may even have an upgrade option to SBS 2007 given that they already have 2003.
Open Value from memory requires a minimum of 5 licences of a mix of any licence, so well past the minimum requirement.

One thing I will say is I upgraded a SBS server from 2003 to 2007, and the memory requirements are much higher - 4GB RAM ran ok, but 6GB ran alot better, and that was just a standard install!

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  Reply # 460378 19-Apr-2011 08:55 Send private message

SBS 2008 we recommend a MINIMUM of 12GB.

Ingram is a distributor, unless they are a reseller with an account they won't want to hear from you.

You need to engage the services of a reseller in my opinion. I am happy to provide you some advice, PM me.





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  Reply # 460739 20-Apr-2011 02:00 Send private message

You almost need a degree in MS licensing or a lot of spare time to work out the best combination of MDSN sub (developers), SPLA (hosting), Open Value (windows/office) vs Partner Program options for a small business.

I might drop you a pm tomorrow if I get a chance Networkn


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  Reply # 461251 21-Apr-2011 11:02 Send private message

If you have an Ingram Micro account, they used to have hardware/SBS deals (this was a while ago, on SBS2003, but they may still offer them). Back in the day they were well priced, i.e. hardware and SBS licences combined was under 2K, will be more now that the hardware requriements are much higher, but they may still do a combo.



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  Reply # 461340 21-Apr-2011 15:01 Send private message

Yeah digging into it the existing SBS 2003, it's IBM x3200 / SBS 2003 deal from Ingram + extra CAL's (think they only came with 5 by default).

Ideally I would want to install SBS 2011 as a VM, much easier to manage/backup/move that way.




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  Reply # 461672 22-Apr-2011 20:36 Send private message

i would have through SBS2011 would have to be baremetal due to it's demanding nature. I certainly would not expect someone to take up SBS2003 these days. I have this currently and going through the process of migrating to a standard domain configuration due to the complications with migrating/upgrading SBS.

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  Reply # 461702 22-Apr-2011 23:18 Send private message

lyonrouge: i would have through SBS2011 would have to be baremetal due to it's demanding nature...


I know of some huge MS-SQL VM's which run just fine, and many SBS VMs too. Although having said that not all Virtualised platforms are built equal so your mileage will vary. 
 

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  Reply # 461824 23-Apr-2011 17:27 Send private message

that's good to know

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