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  Reply # 611618 19-Apr-2012 06:17 Send private message

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5898211/Piracy-war-may-hit-easy-shots

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  Reply # 611630 19-Apr-2012 07:52 Send private message

Freitasm is correct, regardless of what Stuff's "experts" have to say.

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  Reply # 611637 19-Apr-2012 08:17 Send private message

But static IP's will make the lives of the copyright owners a little easier as its easier for them to see which particular IP address keeps reoffending, opposed to a repeat infringer whos IP address that is changed every few days.

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  Reply # 611639 19-Apr-2012 08:22 Send private message

I actually realised that after posting, while heading to work. Yes, static IP addresses make things easier for copyright holders. ISPs can still track down customers whether static or dynamic. You're both right :)

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  Reply # 611645 19-Apr-2012 08:38 Send private message

BraaiGuy: But static IP's will make the lives of the copyright owners a little easier as its easier for them to see which particular IP address keeps reoffending, opposed to a repeat infringer whos IP address that is changed every few days.


But IP addresses *aren't* changed every few days, this is the point that everybody who keeps recycling misinformation seems to keep forgetting. A number of major ISP's in NZ are now using sticky IP's for DSL services and have been for the last year or so. You won't get a new IP address when you power cycle your modem like you used to.





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  Reply # 611649 19-Apr-2012 08:53 Send private message

sbiddle:
BraaiGuy: But static IP's will make the lives of the copyright owners a little easier as its easier for them to see which particular IP address keeps reoffending, opposed to a repeat infringer whos IP address that is changed every few days.


But IP addresses *aren't* changed every few days, this is the point that everybody who keeps recycling misinformation seems to keep forgetting. A number of major ISP's in NZ are now using sticky IP's for DSL services and have been for the last year or so. You won't get a new IP address when you power cycle your modem like you used to.



Did not realise that. I remember the days of rebooting my modem to get a new IP.

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  Reply # 611936 19-Apr-2012 14:54 Send private message

And Vodafone is the second one. Not much use blaming one ISP or another. It's the user, not the ISP folks.




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  Reply # 612107 19-Apr-2012 19:55 Send private message

Hello, I just have a few quick questions regarding this:  
 
Is anyone going to attempt to offer legal assistance to this person in order to create a "test case" in New Zealand court out of this?  
 
I thought the first person to receive a 3rd strike would have been offered some legal help, I remember someone saying they would, perhaps even the "TUANZ" (Telecommunications Users Association Of New Zealand) would like to challenge this, they were opposed to this law weren't they? Does New Zealand have any local group like the "Electronic Frontier Foundation" willing to offer aid?
 
I think its important we (the users) attempt to make a test case out of this and make it go to court, as once its in front of a judge, the judge himself will be able to see how crap this law is.  
 
Perhaps even arguing the whole "guilty upon accusation" angle would go a long way - isn't the burden of proof always on the accuser, and isn't that enshrined in some ancient English law that one could invoke before the court in order to simply get it thrown out?
 
We can't just bend over and take this special interest private industry crap can we?

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  Reply # 612217 20-Apr-2012 00:00 Send private message

Well you all voted john key in, this is your fault :P













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  Reply # 612220 20-Apr-2012 01:04 Send private message

hamish225: Well you all voted john key in, this is your fault :P


Remember Labour voted for this amendment too.

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  Reply # 612221 20-Apr-2012 01:12 Send private message

Infrasound: Hello, I just have a few quick questions regarding this:  
 
Is anyone going to attempt to offer legal assistance to this person in order to create a "test case" in New Zealand court out of this?  
 
I thought the first person to receive a 3rd strike would have been offered some legal help, I remember someone saying they would, perhaps even the "TUANZ" (Telecommunications Users Association Of New Zealand) would like to challenge this, they were opposed to this law weren't they? Does New Zealand have any local group like the "Electronic Frontier Foundation" willing to offer aid?
 
I think its important we (the users) attempt to make a test case out of this and make it go to court, as once its in front of a judge, the judge himself will be able to see how crap this law is.  
 
Perhaps even arguing the whole "guilty upon accusation" angle would go a long way - isn't the burden of proof always on the accuser, and isn't that enshrined in some ancient English law that one could invoke before the court in order to simply get it thrown out?
 
We can't just bend over and take this special interest private industry crap can we?


Meh, I don't see why we need a test case, just fine the person who couldn't read the three emails/letters they got telling them to stop.

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  Reply # 612237 20-Apr-2012 08:11 Send private message

hamish225: Well you all voted john key in, this is your fault :P


Labour is the one who introduced the law, with a delayed start, which fell under National after Labour was voted out. National actually introduced the payment required, otherwise under Labour design the copyright owners would be firing thousands of accusations without having to pay anything.






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  Reply # 612248 20-Apr-2012 08:33 Send private message

it's pretty surprising that Orcon (around 5% market share) have sent out a notice at the same time as TelstraClear (~20% market share) only got 1, and yet Telecom (50% market share), from what we know, haven't sent out any.

statsitically speaking that is extremely unlikely to happen if RIANZ is sending out notices agnostic of which ISP they send them too.
Is there any reason to suspect RIANZ would be targetting specific ISPs (ones with fewer lawyers?) ? Or is it just that Telecom have sent some out, but not announced it yet?

ETA:  whoops just saw this, looks like Telecom have sent out at least one notice but it was withdrawn, and Scott Bartlett was wrong when he said that Orcon had sent one out. 
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/first-enforcement-notice-issued-under-15k-fine-under-%E2%80%98three-strikes-law-ck-117089


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  Reply # 612255 20-Apr-2012 08:52 Send private message

expression: Meh, I don't see why we need a test case, just fine the person who couldn't read the three emails/letters they got telling them to stop.


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  Reply # 612657 20-Apr-2012 23:21 Send private message

freitasm:
hamish225: Well you all voted john key in, this is your fault :P


Labour is the one who introduced the law, with a delayed start, which fell under National after Labour was voted out. National actually introduced the payment required, otherwise under Labour design the copyright owners would be firing thousands of accusations without having to pay anything.




o, my mistake. Only started paying attention to politics this last election since ill be 18 soon, gotta know what I'm going to voting for.













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