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  Reply # 612736 21-Apr-2012 09:01 Send private message

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Meh, I don't see why we need a test case, just fine the person who couldn't read the three emails/letters they got telling them to stop.


The letters go out the same way as your bill. Given how many people get their bills by email, I'm betting a lot of these letters will end up in junk mail. 

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  Reply # 612749 21-Apr-2012 10:03 Send private message

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Meh, I don't see why we need a test case, just fine the person who couldn't read the three emails/letters they got telling them to stop.


The letters go out the same way as your bill. Given how many people get their bills by email, I'm betting a lot of these letters will end up in junk mail. 


And let us not forget that these "infringement" letters are considered proof of your infraction, about the same as a speed camera image, yet are generated by a private company.   

Can you think of any other private company with the power to convict you of a crime by its allegation alone?  
 
I'm not even sure if you can take the individual notices to a hearing to dispute them, perhaps only at the 3rd and final one do you have the power to request a hearing before a tribunal.
 
This is another reason I think a case like this should go to court, we can't just assume their evidence gathering techniques are as bulletproof as they claim, the evidence needs to be seen.

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  Reply # 612771 21-Apr-2012 11:46 Send private message

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I'm not even sure if you can take the individual notices to a hearing to dispute them, perhaps only at the 3rd and final one do you have the power to request a hearing before a tribunal.


You can challenge any of the notices, but yeah, guilty until proven innocent...  Undecided

http://www.med.govt.nz/business/intellectual-property/pdf-docs-library/copyright/notice-process/notice-process-diagram.pdf

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  Reply # 613553 23-Apr-2012 10:34 Send private message

Infrasound:
sidefx:
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Meh, I don't see why we need a test case, just fine the person who couldn't read the three emails/letters they got telling them to stop.


The letters go out the same way as your bill. Given how many people get their bills by email, I'm betting a lot of these letters will end up in junk mail. 


And let us not forget that these "infringement" letters are considered proof of your infraction, about the same as a speed camera image, yet are generated by a private company.   

Can you think of any other private company with the power to convict you of a crime by its allegation alone?  
 
I'm not even sure if you can take the individual notices to a hearing to dispute them, perhaps only at the 3rd and final one do you have the power to request a hearing before a tribunal.
 
This is another reason I think a case like this should go to court, we can't just assume their evidence gathering techniques are as bulletproof as they claim, the evidence needs to be seen.


Do you really think the various media companies are just going to randomly think up a NZ IP address and send out notices to that person that cost them $25 each? I find it highly unlikely, private companies are far more accountable when it comes to expenditure than public ones. Besides, if you haven't downloaded anything and you are being sent notices, you surely have nothing to fear when being put in front of a court. 

Also, re the junk email, imo that excuse is along the same lines as "the dog ate my homework". Last time I checked, none of my bills had ever been put in the junk email, just the Viagra ones. 

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  Reply # 613563 23-Apr-2012 11:07 Send private message

surfisup1000: It will be amusing in that household when mum and dad wonder why the internet is cutoff. 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/6760917/Copyright-three-strikes-first-infringer


What surprised me in the article was the part about there being no infringement notices being sent out for movies or TV. You wouldn't have thought NZFact/MPAA would want to broadcasting that message to Joe Public.

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  Reply # 613564 23-Apr-2012 11:09 Send private message

Our Copyright FAQs have a lot of information on this Act, including the role the legislation requires of the ISP. There are also many links to other factual sources.

Cheers, Gary

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  Reply # 613595 23-Apr-2012 12:05 Send private message

jonb:
surfisup1000: It will be amusing in that household when mum and dad wonder why the internet is cutoff. 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/6760917/Copyright-three-strikes-first-infringer


What surprised me in the article was the part about there being no infringement notices being sent out for movies or TV. You wouldn't have thought NZFact/MPAA would want to broadcasting that message to Joe Public.

yeah it's pretty sweet. It means that you basically have no chance of getting caught if you are downloading movies, tv shows, games, or pron (and only a very small chance of getting caught for downloading music)

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  Reply # 614219 24-Apr-2012 10:42 Send private message

I get 10s-hundreds of gigs of music a month - just am a bit smarter about how I do it ;)




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