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  Reply # 196767 19-Feb-2009 20:09 Send private message


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  Reply # 196792 19-Feb-2009 21:39 Send private message

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120 protestors, great work you all. I would have dafinitely joined, had the protest been held in Auckland.

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  Reply # 196841 20-Feb-2009 07:45 Send private message

Spenser: I recant my comment "This is my last post".

McD - you are missing the point. This legislation removes a fundamental principle of our legal system - you are innocent until proven guilty.

You are not guilty because the complainant says you are. The judicial process determines whether or not you have acted illegally.

And you miss my point - the ISPs aren't acting as judge, jury & executioner, they are simply exercising the right that any business has to walk away from a situation that could leave them liable to prosecution (in this case aiding copyright theft).  Your argument robs them of the right to make this choice!  In fact if you consider how a torrent client works it's actually the ISP which is fetching & delivering the stolen material.

This will help you with what this issue is about - http://tracs.co.nz/gripping-hand/back-on-the-oia-trail-s92a-this-time/

I've added my bit to help clarify

Then read this and you should understand why S92A will be so dangerous and unworkable - http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:SXrxaep9jdIJ:dmca.cs.washington.edu/uwcse_dmca_tr.pdf+p2p+DCMA+detection&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz

But read about Wilco first - and check out their music.....but you will struggle to find them in the record stores... because they don't do pop hits and the record companies want instant hits and the $$$ that the hits bring.


I will do but it's a bit too much before work.  Tell me, will I read a lot only to find that the reason they are not in shops, few people have heard of them and hence they have minimal sales is because they reject the major labels? - please note, this has nothing to do with how good the music is. 
Lets face it this whole petty nonsense is because CFFs own imagined music market model has failed to break the music label's market position and replace it with their own naivety has failed (as did emusic's) so they're trying to promote guerrilla tactics to bring them down - pathetic!
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  Reply # 196847 20-Feb-2009 08:12 Send private message

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120 protestors, great work you all. I would have dafinitely joined, had the protest been held in Auckland.


I had the impression it was more than that - I would say 200 perhaps. I've posted lots of pictures on Flickr now.




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  Reply # 196849 20-Feb-2009 08:24 Send private message

McD,

 

Your starting to sound like an apologists for the  entertainment industry..





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Reply # 196851 20-Feb-2009 08:29 Send private message

And that's nothing wrong - it brings debate. Different points of view. Otherwise everyone will think the same thing all the time and it creates a "mob mentality".




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  Reply # 196854 20-Feb-2009 08:54 Send private message

Okay, this is for McD, Wilco were with Warner, they left and released the album online for free.... then another part of Warner (Nonesuch Records) asked to be their recording company and the album in question made No 8 on the Billboard charts:

http://www.fastcompany.com/resources/marketing/manners/112904.html

and anyone else who might be interested in broadening their view of file sharing. And PLEASE remember, I am not talking about sharing of commercially available material.

Another point about this proposed law, the open source guys use p2p to distribute their software, I bet they get cease and desist notices for that.

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  Reply # 196920 20-Feb-2009 14:15 Send private message

Folks, I have been contacted by the RIANZ and after some talk we agreed on running a Q&A to answer your questions about the current copyright landscape in New Zealand. Please post your questions to the RIANZ in the appropriate thread.




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  Reply # 196921 20-Feb-2009 14:17 Send private message

Folks this is a press release I just got in my inbox:


MEDIA RELEASE - 20 FEBRUARY 2009
From the Recording Industry Association New Zealand and
the Australasian Performing Right Association

For immediate release


SECTION 92A COPYRIGHT ACT

The Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ) represents the rights of 60 record labels, including 53 New Zealand independent labels, and more than 800 New Zealand recording artists. 

The Australasian Performing Right Association represents songwriters and publishers, including more than 5,000 local music writers and composers.


RIANZ and APRA have been engaged in dialogue with the Telecommunication Carriers Forum (TCF) with regard to a draft Code of Conduct which the TCF could recommend its Internet Service Provider (ISP) members adopt in order to comply with their obligations pursuant to Section 92A of the Copyright Act.

Since the TCF issued the draft Code of Conduct on 4 February 2009 for public consultation, the dialogue between RIANZ, APRA and the TCF has continued.


RIANZ and APRA are confident the discussions with the TCF will lead to a Code of Conduct which will satisfy copyright holders and ISPs, which will satisfy the requirements of Section 92A and which, if adopted by ISPs, will provide certainty for all parties moving forward.

“We are confident the concerns that rights holders have had with the draft Code of Conduct, including issues such as counter-notice procedures and costs, will be satisfactorily resolved,” says RIANZ Chief Executive, Campbell Smith.


“Dialogue we have had with the TCF this year has been constructive.  We have worked together to try to resolve points of difference and I believe we will achieve a positive result before Section 92A is due to come into force on 28 February 2009.  We are confident a code that is both reasonable and effective can be agreed between us prior to 28 February.”


APRA’s Director for New Zealand Operations, Anthony Healey says: “We recognize that ongoing public discussion has identified some concern regarding the content and operation of a code, particularly with regard to a user’s right to object to a notice of infringement. 


“Contrary to reports and concerns we have never been opposed to the idea of an independent third party considering objections and adjudicating where necessary.  We are not opposed to this approach provided the process is fair and timely.  This is one of the issues we have been discussing with the TCF this week.”


RIANZ and APRA remain firmly committed to a policy aimed at informing internet users with regard to copyright issues and of their obligations pursuant to the terms and conditions of their service contracts with their ISPs.  The notification process contemplated by the TCF code is aimed at educating users in this regard and encouraging them to cease infringing behaviour.


Online copyright infringement is doing serious harm to the creative industries in New Zealand and around the world.  For example, it is estimated that 19 out of every 20 downloaded songs infringe copyright.  No legitimate business model can compete with that scale of infringement and loss and nor should it.  At the same time we recognize that any process established to deal with this infringing activity must be reasonable and fair.






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  Reply # 196924 20-Feb-2009 14:22 Send private message

you can tell they're getting worried.

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  Reply # 196929 20-Feb-2009 14:43 Send private message

19 our of 20 downloads?!  where did they pluck that number from??

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  Reply # 196930 20-Feb-2009 14:45 Send private message

Why not ask the RIANZ in the Q&A discussion?




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  Reply # 196953 20-Feb-2009 16:22 Send private message

gehenna: 19 our of 20 downloads?!  where did they pluck that number from??
  Probably from the same statician the BSA use to come up with how many billions in lost revenue they have suffered.

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  Reply # 197009 20-Feb-2009 19:25 Send private message

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McD,

 

Your starting to sound like an apologists for the  entertainment industry..


The only reason we get to hear almost all of the music, TV shows and movies we have in our collections is due to incumbent music industry practice - not due to some non-oppressive, chaos-driven pseudo-marketing fantasy.  No apology necessary.
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  Reply # 197022 20-Feb-2009 20:34 Send private message

McD (and anyone else who is interested),

Did you read this article:

http://www.fastcompany.com/resources/marketing/manners/112904.html?page=0%2C0

It highlights - especially the second page - ways that record labels are using the new  technolgy to their benefit and to the benefit of their artists.

It is particularly interesting to note this:


A record label called ArtistShare takes the concept of downloading a
step further by offering its customers access to accoutrements of the
creative process itself -- including rehearsal sessions, musical
scores, and artist interviews. In some cases, customers are spending
three times the cost of a CD alone on such extras. The approach has
attracted artists such as jazz great Jim Hall and Trey Anastasio of
Phish fame.


Yet another new label, called Magnatune, is connecting the dots
between eBay and the record business with a model in which it's up to
the consumer to decide whether to listen to a record without
downloading it or buying it (kind of like radio). If the consumer
decides to buy, the suggested price per album is $8, but consumers can
pay less (but no less than $5) -- or more -- if they want. Incredibly,
consumers, on average, pay more than the suggested price.

Innovation will reduce the piracy, it can be done and the entertainment industry has the resources to do it... if they want to.


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