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  Reply # 649521 2-Jul-2012 13:01 Send private message

stuartjmz: As I said, my real issue is with the device manufacturers. My HTC Sensation (now my wife's Sensation) is a year old, and is still waiting for an ICS update. I could have rooted it, but as much as I enjoy doing that sort of thing on my PC, I simply can't be bothered with my phones.  

Given how soon after release of an update the source is available, I'd think it would be possible for Google to impose a deadline on its manufacturing partners, say requiring them to provide the update to compatible handsets within 6 months of release. That would reduce the perception of fragmentation and reduce buyer's concerns about obsolescence. It would even help the manufacturers move product - if the Galaxy 7.7 had a JB update coming soon, I might have gone with that instead of deciding to go with the Nexus 7


That's assuming that its the device manufacturers that delay the release of updates. This is not necessarily the case.

I bought my HTC Desire HD online from the UK. My phone received updates almost as soon as they were released whereas the same HTC Desire HD in other countries took weeks/months to get updates.

I saw this again with my Samsung Galaxy S2. I bought it in Australia. While people in NZ were still waiting to get Android 2.3.3 updates my phone had already updated to 2.3.6 last year. It updated to 4.0.3 ice cream sandwich in April. We have a second SGS2 in the house, purchased from Telecom NZ, and its still waiting for its updates. 

In light of my own experiences I firmly believe that the device manufacturers aren't responsible for these lengthy delays, its the telecoms companies that take their time to add their branding and test the updates across their networks. Manufacturers have to test as well, of course, and make their own modifications but, in general, these are not unduly delayed. Telecoms companies aren't too bothered about getting updates out in a timely fashion - they make their money from their plans and already have people locked into their ROM's. There's no extra money in it for them to hurry up and get updates out. 



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  Reply # 649560 2-Jul-2012 13:41 Send private message

What are people's thoughts on 8gb v 16gb?

I am leaning towards 8gb as I do not plan to have a lot of music or movies on it but will get some books and maybe the odd magazine subscription.  Anyone know what one can expect for magazine file sizes?  Also I presume I can just copy files to external storage through the USB connection?

Also the 16gb version might get very close the $400 GST threshold with shipping.  Does customs count shipping costs as part of the price?


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  Reply # 649563 2-Jul-2012 13:47 Send private message

I'm leaning towards 8GB as I mostly plan to use it around the house over the home network to watch movies, surf the web, read books etc. 

8GB will be enough for a few movies to take away on trips and if we go away for any time we will probably take a laptop with extra stuff on it. I can also store files on Google Drive and access them where I am. 

Music on a tablet doesn't work well for me as I want to put the music player, for me my phone or iPod, in my pocket and forget about it. 

8GB is enough, this pretty much sums up my attitude to the device as well; sure it isn't perfect but for the price, its enough. 




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  Reply # 649605 2-Jul-2012 15:24 Send private message

I am really agonising 8G or 16G or even is the right tablet at all.

If as you say are going to use it mainly around house, read ebooks, browse web or stream video over wifi, and check email browse web, and ebooks on the go, maybe 8G ok.  Say 80% of people.

Big problem at present is no SD slot, OK it has an usb/otg (no host usb) but this only supports keyboard and mouse and NOT repeat NOT usb memory.

Progress so far a I/O version has been rooted over at XDA developers forum, but limited to copying files from usb mem to tablet mem (not much point in this as can do that via wifi) it WILL NOT allow one to play or view files direct from usb mem.  BIG BIG SHORT COMING.

The 8G only has 5.6g of space rest is taken by system, so if you are into media, some apps, and especially games, this will soon disappear.
So if you think you will need more get the 16G.  Say 20% of people.

Now if going on holiday and need your media why not invest in a GoFlex Satellite 500G WiFi external HD.  Three tablets can connect at same time.

I thought the 8G would be OK be leaning towards the 16G now just as a bit of insurance.  That is $250USD extra $50 for 8G.

Then I start looking at the Asus TF300T $400USD same spec 10.1 ips screen with 32G mem and SD slot, with option of expanding with keyboard dock.  So for extra $150 get bigger screen, more mem, and a host of expansion options.

If we just wait another 3 months I am sure samsung or asus will bring out a 7" tablet with similar spec and SD slot for similar price.
 

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  Reply # 649640 2-Jul-2012 16:11 Send private message

twobikes: I am really agonising 8G or 16G or even is the right tablet at all.

 


Its the usual story, there is always something better for just a little bit more money or if you wait just a little longer. 

If you wait until Window 8 comes out then who knows what wonders will be available? Win 8 on Asus Transformer-style hardware with Word and Excel? Or Surface? 

For me the Nexus 7 is a good enough media consumption tablet at the right price, well if we are talking in the $300 to $400 range. For me, it is about what I want to do and how much I want to pay for the total package. I don't see the Nexus 7 as a replacement for an actual laptop, the Transformer could be for some people but not for me, so I would not be saving by replacing one with the other. 

Different strokes, different folks. 




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  Reply # 649659 2-Jul-2012 17:03 Send private message

twobikes: The 8G only has 5.6g of space rest is taken by system, so if you are into media, some apps, and especially games, this will soon disappear.  

I haven't been into gaming much at all on the Android so far (the IDEOS is way too underpowered for that), and I'm curious just how much space will games take up?!




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  Reply # 649662 2-Jul-2012 17:05 Send private message

dman:
twobikes: The 8G only has 5.6g of space rest is taken by system, so if you are into media, some apps, and especially games, this will soon disappear.  

I haven't been into gaming much at all on the Android so far (the IDEOS is way too underpowered for that), and I'm curious just how much space will games take up?!


Decent games are 500 MB+ and I heard FIFA was 2GB...

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  Reply # 649663 2-Jul-2012 17:06 Send private message

dman:
twobikes: The 8G only has 5.6g of space rest is taken by system, so if you are into media, some apps, and especially games, this will soon disappear.  

I haven't been into gaming much at all on the Android so far (the IDEOS is way too underpowered for that), and I'm curious just how much space will games take up?!


I am not either, but I seen in a forum someone mention half a G a game

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  Reply # 649675 2-Jul-2012 17:14 Send private message

 

Its the usual story, there is always something better for just a little bit more money...

For me the Nexus 7 is a good enough media consumption tablet at the right price, well if we are talking in the $300 to $400 range. For me, it is about what I want to do and how much I want to pay for the total package....

Different strokes, different folks. 


Yep, that's me too. Extra storage would be nice, but a 16GB tablet of these specs for $400 all-up is so close to my perfect sweet spot that I'm prepared to let that one disappointment slide. If the Galaxy 7.7 got a JB update (assuming it's capable) in the month that it's going to take me to save for the Nexus, I'd probably go that route, otherwise, the nexus is it.

It is, after all, quite explicitly going after the low-end of the market and first time tablet buyers, both of which describe me. Rather than kvetching about what it doesn't have, I'm content to  see it for what it is - the best-spec'd tablet in its price point, by a long way, for now. And waiting for the next "new best thing" would be a great way to save money, since it's always just around the corner. Smile

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  Reply # 649680 2-Jul-2012 17:30 Send private message

I don't see the Nexus 7 as a replacement for an actual laptop, the Transformer could be for some people but not for me, so I would not be saving by replacing one with the other. 
 


This is another major disappointment with the Nexus 7 no HDMI MHL support, why because I was and am very excited by Ubuntu for Android.  A 7" tegra 3 tablet with HDMI usb keyboard and mouse, who would need a laptop while travelling to get some heavy work done.  Or get rid of my desktop as well.

No laptop, No desktop, just tablet with Ubuntu for Android, and say a network media, file server, cloud storeage HD like the Iomega Home Cloud network drive.

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  Reply # 649688 2-Jul-2012 17:45 Send private message

twobikes:
I don't see the Nexus 7 as a replacement for an actual laptop, the Transformer could be for some people but not for me, so I would not be saving by replacing one with the other. 
 


This is another major disappointment with the Nexus 7 no HDMI MHL support, why because I was and am very excited by Ubuntu for Android.  A 7" tegra 3 tablet with HDMI usb keyboard and mouse, who would need a laptop while travelling to get some heavy work done.  Or get rid of my desktop as well.

No laptop, No desktop, just tablet with Ubuntu for Android, and say a network media, file server, cloud storeage HD like the Iomega Home Cloud network drive.


To be honest if I was looking at a laptop replacement then I wouldn't be looking at the Nexus 7. I simply don't think it was designed with this in mind and even if you managed to jury rig a solution that kind of worked I think the basic limitations of the device would shine through very quickly. 

For example, you would probably want some sort of stand to prop up the screen and for forth. I think these 'little things' would really start to get under your skin quickly. 

Harvey Norman are selling Tf 300 which is 32GB and is about as close to a laptop replacement I think Android can do for $800.

But pay $150 to $200 more could get you a low end Ultra Book which is a 'real' computer, and how often are you going to use it without the keyboard dock anyway? 

Always something better just around the corner. 




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  Reply # 649694 2-Jul-2012 17:54 Send private message

 
For example, you would probably want some sort of stand to prop up the screen and for forth. I think these 'little things' would really start to get under your skin quickly. 
 



Miss the point slightly Ubuntu for Android is also for phone,  point is you don't prop up tablet or phone (it just acts a cpu box) you use your home or hotels LCD TV for monitor, and say portable (even bluetooth) or full size keyboard at home.

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  Reply # 649722 2-Jul-2012 18:56 Send private message

Elpie:
stuartjmz: As I said, my real issue is with the device manufacturers. My HTC Sensation (now my wife's Sensation) is a year old, and is still waiting for an ICS update. I could have rooted it, but as much as I enjoy doing that sort of thing on my PC, I simply can't be bothered with my phones.  

Given how soon after release of an update the source is available, I'd think it would be possible for Google to impose a deadline on its manufacturing partners, say requiring them to provide the update to compatible handsets within 6 months of release. That would reduce the perception of fragmentation and reduce buyer's concerns about obsolescence. It would even help the manufacturers move product - if the Galaxy 7.7 had a JB update coming soon, I might have gone with that instead of deciding to go with the Nexus 7


That's assuming that its the device manufacturers that delay the release of updates. This is not necessarily the case.

I bought my HTC Desire HD online from the UK. My phone received updates almost as soon as they were released whereas the same HTC Desire HD in other countries took weeks/months to get updates.

I saw this again with my Samsung Galaxy S2. I bought it in Australia. While people in NZ were still waiting to get Android 2.3.3 updates my phone had already updated to 2.3.6 last year. It updated to 4.0.3 ice cream sandwich in April. We have a second SGS2 in the house, purchased from Telecom NZ, and its still waiting for its updates.  


I suggest you  look at the update method  you are doing for the Telecom one.  It was updated to ICS about 2 months ago and had another  27 Meg update last week. 




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  Reply # 649754 2-Jul-2012 20:05 Send private message

Like alot of people here I am interested in the nexus but not sure if I should rush  out and order. Any word on when the $25 voucher offer will expire?

I am also considering the iPad2 as an alternative - 16 gb wifi is only $50-100 more on trade me. Any thoughts on pros/cons of nexus 7 versus a refurbished iPad2? 

Are people sure nz users will be able to access the movies/tv/magazines etc. in the play store? Could be frustrating if we are locked out.




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  Reply # 649757 2-Jul-2012 20:12 Send private message

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/07/nexus-7-tablet-coming-to-retail-stores-brings-price-premium/

FYI

It costs $319 AUD for 16g in Aus retail stores

"Asus and Google have gone nuts with its list of retail partners, bringing in everyone to stock the device including Harvey Norman, JB Hi-Fi, Dick Smith, Bing Lee, The Good Guys, Retravision, Radio Rentals, Officeworks, EB Games, Costco, BSR and authorised ASUS resellers."




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