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  Reply # 440023 15-Feb-2011 21:50 Send private message

@r2d2 are you going to say what apps you're developing or is it a secret? Btw I like secrets and I'm very trustworthy :D




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lokhor: Totally not getting a Galaxy S2, going HTC next time as Samsung support has been terribad


I know you can get into the why's and wherefore's about whether a manufacturer should support better than they do, and I'm the first to admit Samsung's support of the SGS has been terrible, but here's my summation:

Who cares?

I mean, would you rather have the optimized, modular, completely open-ended contributions of XDA et al, or the any-colour-you-like-as-long-as-it's-black approach of Samsung/HTC/Motorola/Apple.

Samsung make best-of-class hardware (and HTC are damn good too), and as long as they make the source code available, it's a win-win.

Completely my opinion here, but I feel that bemoaning Samsung for a lack of support is kind of missing the point of Android.

If you want something that is as good as it will ever be (pretty much) out of the box, buy something from a closed-source manufacturer like Apple or Microsoft.

Note, I'm talking about O/S support here, not hardware faults etc; I suspect all OEM's are pretty lousy at dealing with this.




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  Reply # 440031 15-Feb-2011 22:10 Send private message

nofam:
lokhor: Totally not getting a Galaxy S2, going HTC next time as Samsung support has been terribad


I know you can get into the why's and wherefore's about whether a manufacturer should support better than they do, and I'm the first to admit Samsung's support of the SGS has been terrible, but here's my summation:

Who cares?

I mean, would you rather have the optimized, modular, completely open-ended contributions of XDA et al, or the any-colour-you-like-as-long-as-it's-black approach of Samsung/HTC/Motorola/Apple.

Samsung make best-of-class hardware (and HTC are damn good too), and as long as they make the source code available, it's a win-win.

Completely my opinion here, but I feel that bemoaning Samsung for a lack of support is kind of missing the point of Android.

If you want something that is as good as it will ever be (pretty much) out of the box, buy something from a closed-source manufacturer like Apple or Microsoft.

Note, I'm talking about O/S support here, not hardware faults etc; I suspect all OEM's are pretty lousy at dealing with this.


No matter what manufacturer I went with I would've been using a custom rom, however pretty much all handsets from HTC support CyanogenMod and have other AOSP Roms. Because of the horrible mutilation of Android that Samsung performed with TouchWiz there are still no stable AOSP Roms available. This is one of the main reasons why I hate Samsung and won't buy another phone from them. My other reasons include the huge GPS issues that occurred, using the RFS filesystem, the misinformation about available RAM and my personal struggle to have a decent battery life.

I also have issues with how terrible Samsung are at communicating their plans in regards to firmware upgrades. to top it all off I bought my girlfriend a Samsung Wave which runs Samsung's own Bada OS and they recently disabled all apps in New Zealand for no apparent reason. I tried contacting their support however only received an automated reply and never had a response from a human being.  




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  Reply # 440047 15-Feb-2011 23:18 Send private message

Neets:
It's the "self-healing" qualities I like.  Especially after my little accident on Saturday.
Well the auction I'd linked to was gone but I've managed to find another one from the seller, it has my name on it and SOLD.

Don't suppose you want to put it on for me - haha


I don't know what it'd do if it got a major scratch in it - but hair-line ones seem to heal a bit. YMMV.

I'm in north otago, and i'm just guessing you'd not want to be without your phone for a week lol. It's not too bad to put it on, put aside about an hour. You also have to make up this weak soap solution because the stuff sticks very quickly, and the soap helps you move it while it's on for a perfect fit, and helps move bubbles etc out of it. You are just using a film of it so no leaking into the phone.

Anyway, I think it's very good and cheap. I originally worried it would peel off orsomething but it all seems great. I didn't get any dust or bubbles behind it, and you'd not know it was even on there (infact, several people have had to look very closely to see it even AFTER I told them it was on there).

Anyway, good luck to all those who are buying one; I think you'll be happy. But a lot depends on the precision you use to put it on the first time, and your patience. Works well for me anyway, and that's all i can really promise lol.

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  Reply # 440048 15-Feb-2011 23:23 Send private message

bigal_nz: Hi Guys,

What is everyone using to put music on there SGS?

What about iTunes library?

Cheers

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Just copy the music files (mp3 or ogg etc) onto your sgs just the same as you copy files onto a flash disk or external hard drive. And you can copy them off again. To anyone. Any time. Without itunes.

No special software needed - or wanted. It works just the way it should.

Itunes is a piece of software made by apple, the primary purpose of which is to control and restrict WHAT you put on your phone and how you can use it. That it is popular has more to do with marketing than with truth.

If you want software to organise and catagorise your music files - I suggest Winamp.

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  Reply # 440049 15-Feb-2011 23:41 Send private message

lokhor: Totally not getting a Galaxy S2, going HTC next time as Samsung support has been terribad


I have been impressed by samsung's support really - they have released many updates and revision of their system software, seem to be pretty prompt releasing the source code as well, and don't seem to be too particular with warranty repairs.

HTC, on the other hand, took an age to release updates, very seldom released source code, seem fine with repairs, but couldn't answer my queries about their sync software (busy waiting as it was in that version), nor about their android version's inability to change the voicemail number manually (slingshot, in their infinite wisdom, chose to put vodafone's voicemail number in their sim and HTC wouldn't let me change it).

Nokia i am told are just as bad; Sony-ericsson too (if anyone has had to deal with sony they know what i mean). Can't imagine RIM are any better. Apple are legendary nazi's - it was never really YOUR phone anyway, as far as they are concerned.

I'm curious: just what phone company DO you think is better than samsung (in terms of support) and Why? Do you have examples or stats we can look at? Who knows maybe we'll all get one next time too.


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  Reply # 440093 16-Feb-2011 08:44 Send private message

Brendan:
lokhor: Totally not getting a Galaxy S2, going HTC next time as Samsung support has been terribad


I have been impressed by samsung's support really - they have released many updates and revision of their system software, seem to be pretty prompt releasing the source code as well, and don't seem to be too particular with warranty repairs.

HTC, on the other hand, took an age to release updates, very seldom released source code, seem fine with repairs, but couldn't answer my queries about their sync software (busy waiting as it was in that version), nor about their android version's inability to change the voicemail number manually (slingshot, in their infinite wisdom, chose to put vodafone's voicemail number in their sim and HTC wouldn't let me change it).

Nokia i am told are just as bad; Sony-ericsson too (if anyone has had to deal with sony they know what i mean). Can't imagine RIM are any better. Apple are legendary nazi's - it was never really YOUR phone anyway, as far as they are concerned.

I'm curious: just what phone company DO you think is better than samsung (in terms of support) and Why? Do you have examples or stats we can look at? Who knows maybe we'll all get one next time too.



I have an HTC Desire and my wife, son and workmates have Galaxy S. When Froyo was released I got OTA in August from memory, I gave up on waiting for Samsung to release Froyo and did the reg hack in December. Maybe you are referring to older HTC phones?

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  Reply # 440121 16-Feb-2011 09:44 Send private message

Neets: @r2d2 are you going to say what apps you're developing or is it a secret? Btw I like secrets and I'm very trustworthy :D


Hi Neets.

One app is an entertainment (read time-waster) fun thing, that lets you customise it to your own preferences and the other is a small utility for automating parts of your social life. I'm also learning to modify the Android APIs to create a new communications wrinkle which, if it works, will be a fun thing to have and share with your family/friends/workmates. It's something that will be unlikely to ever be available on the iOS platform due to Apple's walled garden approach, hence the reason I'm now an Android dev rather than an iOS one.

So, two apps in alpha, and the one with the most potential is a long way back...

I'll be announcing beta testing in a new thread when I'm ready to get feedback, and anybody who's interested in being a tester can drop me a PM to volunteer (crazy, brave peeps...). I'm not expecting to have the first beta available until mid year as I'm doing this part time, and some of the hurdles are mighty daunting to a solo programmer.

Sorry I can't be more specific, but I need to be closer to beta testing before I can spill the beans.

Thanks for the interest though, and I'll reserve a spot on the test team for you. Now, about that 12 page NDA you'll be signing...

Laughing

Cheers,
R2D2




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  Reply # 440127 16-Feb-2011 09:59 Send private message

Battery followup...

Phone has been on for 11 hours and battery has lost 14% of its charge. noLED doesn't appear to be making a difference to battery life, but wifi does. Looking into that.

Hmmm...

Cheers,
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  Reply # 440130 16-Feb-2011 10:10 Send private message

telecom stock firmware:

build number "eclair.dojl1" kernal version 2.6.29 root @se-s604#2

whats the deference between froyo and eclair ?




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  Reply # 440135 16-Feb-2011 10:14 Send private message

kiwitrc:
Brendan:
lokhor: Totally not getting a Galaxy S2, going HTC next time as Samsung support has been terribad


I have been impressed by samsung's support really - they have released many updates and revision of their system software, seem to be pretty prompt releasing the source code as well, and don't seem to be too particular with warranty repairs.

HTC, on the other hand, took an age to release updates, very seldom released source code, seem fine with repairs, but couldn't answer my queries about their sync software (busy waiting as it was in that version), nor about their android version's inability to change the voicemail number manually (slingshot, in their infinite wisdom, chose to put vodafone's voicemail number in their sim and HTC wouldn't let me change it).

Nokia i am told are just as bad; Sony-ericsson too (if anyone has had to deal with sony they know what i mean). Can't imagine RIM are any better. Apple are legendary nazi's - it was never really YOUR phone anyway, as far as they are concerned.

I'm curious: just what phone company DO you think is better than samsung (in terms of support) and Why? Do you have examples or stats we can look at? Who knows maybe we'll all get one next time too.



I have an HTC Desire and my wife, son and workmates have Galaxy S. When Froyo was released I got OTA in August from memory, I gave up on waiting for Samsung to release Froyo and did the reg hack in December. Maybe you are referring to older HTC phones?


No, I am referring to all HTC phones. I have owned the Harrier, Apache, Vouge, and the Desire. NONE of them had timely updates, all of them required some sort of hacking to upgrade at all. With the Desire, we all waited until WELL after most everyone else already had their 2.2.

I liked the Desire, would still be using it. But Mine decided to have a faulty microphone just before xmas, and I had to send it away. I wasn't going to be without a smart phone for several weeks (turned out to be closer to 8 weeks!), so I bought a SGS (I had reccomended one to a friend and was impressed) and sold the Desire when it came back.

I haven't regretted it. As good as the Desire is, The SGS is a bit better. It's lighter, has a better screen in sunlight, and is faster.


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  Reply # 440144 16-Feb-2011 10:30 Send private message

cokeman: no need to post identical question in mutliple threads

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

also google is your friend




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  Reply # 440148 16-Feb-2011 10:36 Send private message

ArtooDetoo:
Neets: @r2d2 are you going to say what apps you're developing or is it a secret? Btw I like secrets and I'm very trustworthy :D


Hi Neets.

One app is an entertainment (read time-waster) fun thing, that lets you customise it to your own preferences and the other is a small utility for automating parts of your social life. I'm also learning to modify the Android APIs to create a new communications wrinkle which, if it works, will be a fun thing to have and share with your family/friends/workmates. It's something that will be unlikely to ever be available on the iOS platform due to Apple's walled garden approach, hence the reason I'm now an Android dev rather than an iOS one.

So, two apps in alpha, and the one with the most potential is a long way back...

I'll be announcing beta testing in a new thread when I'm ready to get feedback, and anybody who's interested in being a tester can drop me a PM to volunteer (crazy, brave peeps...). I'm not expecting to have the first beta available until mid year as I'm doing this part time, and some of the hurdles are mighty daunting to a solo programmer.

Sorry I can't be more specific, but I need to be closer to beta testing before I can spill the beans.

Thanks for the interest though, and I'll reserve a spot on the test team for you. Now, about that 12 page NDA you'll be signing...

Laughing

Cheers,
R2D2


Well I hope to get a dollar for signing, that's what we got at work for keeping Sealed

Yes, all comfy with beta testing - being employed for a software company.  Now will you be providing test scripts?  Tee hee

Good luck, sounds like it's a pile of work.  I hope you're finding it rewarding :)




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  Reply # 440151 16-Feb-2011 10:40 Send private message

Andrew, the trader from TradeMe has confirmed there was a rush on the "Best Skins".  He was intrigued enough to search out and find our thread.

Anyway, mine arrived this morning.  I've watched a couple of YouTube video's Andrew provided links for.  I think Brendan is right, it's going to a bit of patience.  This'll be a test for me ;-)




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  Reply # 440156 16-Feb-2011 10:49 Send private message

Brendan:
kiwitrc:
Brendan:
lokhor: Totally not getting a Galaxy S2, going HTC next time as Samsung support has been terribad


I have been impressed by samsung's support really - they have released many updates and revision of their system software, seem to be pretty prompt releasing the source code as well, and don't seem to be too particular with warranty repairs.

HTC, on the other hand, took an age to release updates, very seldom released source code, seem fine with repairs, but couldn't answer my queries about their sync software (busy waiting as it was in that version), nor about their android version's inability to change the voicemail number manually (slingshot, in their infinite wisdom, chose to put vodafone's voicemail number in their sim and HTC wouldn't let me change it).

Nokia i am told are just as bad; Sony-ericsson too (if anyone has had to deal with sony they know what i mean). Can't imagine RIM are any better. Apple are legendary nazi's - it was never really YOUR phone anyway, as far as they are concerned.

I'm curious: just what phone company DO you think is better than samsung (in terms of support) and Why? Do you have examples or stats we can look at? Who knows maybe we'll all get one next time too.



I have an HTC Desire and my wife, son and workmates have Galaxy S. When Froyo was released I got OTA in August from memory, I gave up on waiting for Samsung to release Froyo and did the reg hack in December. Maybe you are referring to older HTC phones?


No, I am referring to all HTC phones. I have owned the Harrier, Apache, Vouge, and the Desire. NONE of them had timely updates, all of them required some sort of hacking to upgrade at all. With the Desire, we all waited until WELL after most everyone else already had their 2.2.

I liked the Desire, would still be using it. But Mine decided to have a faulty microphone just before xmas, and I had to send it away. I wasn't going to be without a smart phone for several weeks (turned out to be closer to 8 weeks!), so I bought a SGS (I had reccomended one to a friend and was impressed) and sold the Desire when it came back.

I haven't regretted it. As good as the Desire is, The SGS is a bit better. It's lighter, has a better screen in sunlight, and is faster.




I'm 100% sure that the Desire got a Froyo release before the Galaxy S. Also the Desire has had AOSP roms for some time now, the Galaxy S has none - due to Samsung implanting Touchwiz into every aspect of their Android build. In the U.S. most Galaxy S phones still do not have a Froyo release. Samsung also did not provide an OTA update and required users to upgrade using the awful Kies application. I do applaud the chefs on XDA cooking up Roms for the Galaxy S, however they are still full of Touchwiz even if you aren't using the TW Launcher and are basically just different flavours of the crappy Roms that Samsung have released. There are constantly new bugs appearing such as the gallery sensor bug and the 50% time without signal issue and the wifi not going to sleep problem. 

Also if you want proof of how much better HTC is see here:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9204779/Android_upgrades_Manufacturer_comparison_?taxonomyId=75&pageNumber=1

and

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9204779/Android_upgrades_Manufacturer_comparison_?taxonomyId=75&pageNumber=2





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